God Can Do Whatever He Wants To Do With Whoever He Wants To Do It

[Amy.G]

What is the Greek word?

How is that same word used in other passages?

What is its definition?

Do you know the answers to this?

Uh, no. You don't.

Also, I was vehemently against Calvinism when I found how this word was used elsewhere in the NT. :wavey:

Go check it out. I've actually done so, maybe you should too, instead of off the cuff commentating on this through your free will lens. Seriously, how is it used in other passages. Go see, and you will be awakened. Obviously you haven't checked it our, or you would know how it was used as I have described.


Also, if I said drag, I stand corrected, as it means to drive. It also means to bring. It also means to induce.

Perhaps you could be so kind as to post a few verses where the word "leadeth" means "drive". Why do you think all translations use the word "lead"? Why not translate it "drive"?

 

[preacher4truth]

Perhaps you could be so kind as to post a few verses where the word "leadeth" means "drive". Why do you think all translations use the word "lead"? Why not translate it "drive"?

I'll let you look it up. Experience is the best teacher.

Also, Greek is hard to express in our language to it's fullest meaning, or, am I wrong there, too?

If I were you, I'd go check it out. You maybe should have prior to blasting me as wrong, like the other two banned fellows?

Sometimes I am right. This time I am.

- Blessings

 

[Amy.G]

I'll let you look it up. Experience is the best teacher.

Also, Greek is hard to express in our language to it's fullest meaning, or, am I wrong there, too?

If I were you, I'd go check it out. You maybe should have prior to blasting me as wrong, like the other two banned fellows?

Sometimes I am right. This time I am.

- Blessings

I did look a few up and did not find what you are telling me. That's why I asked for some examples. But whatever.

I never blasted you. I just disagreed.

 

[preacher4truth]

I did look a few up and did not find what you are telling me. That's why I asked for some examples. But whatever.

I never blasted you. I just disagreed.

Do you think it fair to compare me to a couple of banned members, who didn't believe forever meant forever?

They look a little like the h word to me.

I suppose I dion't appreciate the comparison.

The word ago means what I have given. Translators have done their best to use these words in a way to help us. They don't come close to the full meaning at times. This is one reason we study and find some golden nuggets in the Scripture via study.

Acts 9 shows what I am saying. God was goading Paul toward repentance and belief.

He has every right. He's God.

 

[Allan]

Brother, not one of your quotes supports what you are trying to say. One of its VARIOUS meanings means to drive.

Wow, I wonder why you would ask if I know it has various meanings?

EVEN when YOU CAPITALIZE words HERE and THERE to TRY and make an EMPHATIC statement it DOESN'T prove YOU to be CORRECT. :thumbsup:

It reminds me of the other feller that colors everything and uses font size &c to prove his point and I just overlook the entire post. (Sorry, I didn't want to take the time and color my words here to help illustrate that. Hopefully you get the point)

Have you actually read those quotes? LOL. They prove nothing you say. Nothing!

Again, nothing you've said supports your conclusions, just in case you've missed it.

Not one quote. :wavey:

Paul in Acts 9.

I rest my case.

Oh, also, look up this word used in other passages. It is used the way I've said.

- Blessings

My friend, you missed the point - even the REFORMED scholars (whom I quoted to you) disagree with you emphatically.

And seeing as how I can actually read the Greek (and Hebrew), this is not some 'new thing' to me. I have studied Calvinism for 7 years (using only the works of the reformed, not people saying what reformed people believe), with much praying and fasting and questioning my own beliefs. Can you say the same?
It was through and because of this, God walked me away from that theological construct. While I agree in many places, I disagree in others. There are quite of few reformed friends I have on the BB who will tell you I'm the most Calvinistic Arminian they ever met.

Irregardless of that however, it is not I who stand incorrect here, but even according the those who are unquestionably reformed, they must also be.
The emphasis of this word is not on 'dragging' or 'Driving' or 'inducing' or 'Guiding' (yes that is one of it's uses).. its emphasis is that God is the one doing the action itself.. and not of compelling.

You must great in the reformed faith indeed to state these reformed scholars are wrong as well.

 

[Amy.G]

Go check it out. I've actually done so, maybe you should too, instead of off the cuff commentating on this through your free will lens.

I am not looking through my "free will lens" but through the truth of scripture.

Revelation 22:17 And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.


It does not say "whosoever God wills may come". The "will" in this verse belongs to the person who may come. It is our will to come to Christ or turn away.

 

[preacher4truth]

My friend, you missed the point - even the REFORMED scholars (whom I quoted to you) disagree with you emphatically.

And seeing as how I can actually read the Greek (and Hebrew), this is not some 'new thing' to me. I have studied Calvinism for 7 years (using only the works of the reformed, not people saying what reformed people believe), with much praying and fasting and questioning my own beliefs. Can you say the same?
It was through and because of this, God walked me away from that theological construct. While I agree in many places, I disagree in others. There are quite of few reformed friends I have on the BB who will tell you I'm the most Calvinistic Arminian they ever met.

Irregardless of that however, it is not I who stand incorrect here, but even according the those who are unquestionably reformed, they must also be.
The emphasis of this word is not on 'dragging' or 'Driving' or 'inducing' or 'Guiding' (yes that is one of it's uses).. its emphasis is that God is the one doing the action itself.. and not of compelling.

You must great in the reformed faith indeed to state these reformed scholars are wrong as well.

One more time, friend. Not ONE of the sources you quote support a thing you say.


Not one.


Uh, I never said they were wrong. (Do you actually read what I say or said?) Where did I say they are wrong? Oh, that's right, I didn't say that! :laugh:

You didn't read what I said, therefore you thought I said they are wrong.

I said, again, not ONE of them supports what you are trying to say. None. I'm so glad you know the languages. This proves yet another person who thinks they know the languages and are thus an expert.

Wonder if I too know them? Hmmm.

God certainly goaded Paul to repentance and belief. Shucks. Acts 9?


:wavey:

 

[preacher4truth]

I am not looking through my "free will lens" but through the truth of scripture.

Revelation 22:17 And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.


It does not say "whosoever God wills may come". The "will" in this verse belongs to the person who may come. It is our will to come to Christ or turn away.

Amy,

I respect and appreciate you.

This has not a thing to do with our discussion.

God bless you and yours.

:godisgood:

 

[Dr. Bob]

I am not looking through my "free will lens" but through the truth of scripture.

Revelation 22:17 And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.


It does not say "whosoever God wills may come". The "will" in this verse belongs to the person who may come. It is our will to come to Christ or turn away.

More man-centered "It is MY choice" false gospel. For, of course, every single one will "will" not to come. Why? It is our fallen sinful nature at enmity with God.

"But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, even to those who believe in His name, who were born not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God."

Oops. God's will trumps and changes man's capability to respond. But GOD'S will comes first, not the will of our flesh/human nature.

"So then it does not depend on the man who wills or the man who runs, but on God who has mercy."

Oops. God's will trumps and changes man not man's will.

"There is no one who is righteous, not even one; there is no one who has understanding, there is no one who seeks God. All have turned aside, together they have become worthless; there is no one who does one good thing."

Oops. God's will trumps and changes man. Man cannot even SEEK God much less "will" to receive Him.

God PLEADS with mankind to repent and believe. The Spirit cries "Come". But unless God does a regenerating work in our wretched souls, the cry is vain; we will not, we cannot "come".

Thank God HIS will trumps all.

 

[InTheLight]

Man cannot even SEEK God much less "will" to receive Him.

God PLEADS with mankind to repent and believe. The Spirit cries "Come". But unless God does a regenerating work in our wretched souls, the cry is vain; we will not, we cannot "come".

1 Now after Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judea in the days of Herod the king, behold, wise men from the East came to Jerusalem, 2 saying, “Where is He who has been born King of the Jews? For we have seen His star in the East and have come to worship Him.” [Matt. 2]

 

[Dr. Bob]

1 Now after Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judea in the days of Herod the king, behold, wise men from the East came to Jerusalem, 2 saying, “Where is He who has been born King of the Jews? For we have seen His star in the East and have come to worship Him.” [Matt. 2]

And? Proving the point of God's will being done, even changing the hearts of some pagans (as He had done many times: Naaman, Nebuchadnezzar)

Why three zoroastrian priests from a thousand miles looking for Daniel's promised Messiah and not three million Jews from a hundred mile radius?

The only ones who hear/come are those chosen by the Father for His Son's bride. They have been changed. They came and worshiped.

Herod et al came to murder.

 

[Amy.G]

More man-centered "It is MY choice" false gospel.

I do not believe in a false gospel. People who believe in a false gospel have a false salvation. You should be ashamed to say such things, especially being an administrator.

I would report you, but I suppose that wouldn't do any good.

 

[InTheLight]

And? Proving the point of God's will being done, even changing the hearts of some pagans (as He had done many times: Naaman, Nebuchadnezzar)

Why three zoroastrian priests from a thousand miles looking for Daniel's promised Messiah and not three million Jews from a hundred mile radius?

The only ones who hear/come are those chosen by the Father for His Son's bride. They have been changed. They came and worshiped.

Herod et al came to murder.

So the magi are in heaven right now, is that correct?

 

[Gershom]

More man-centered "It is MY choice" false gospel. For, of course, every single one will "will" not to come. Why? It is our fallen sinful nature at enmity with God.

False Gospel?? You're saying those of us who believe it is a choice, and, in turn, call for men to repent and believe on Christ, believe and preach a false gospel??

 

[Robert Snow]

What is its definition?

Do you know the answers to this?

Uh, no. You don't.

Brother, it's not your Calvinistic beliefs that cause you trouble, it's comments like these. Couldn't you have found a way to convey your thoughts without resorting to demeaning statements like these?

 

[Robert Snow]

More man-centered "It is MY choice" false gospel.

No Bob, it's presenting the truth of scripture to counteract the "false gospel" of Calvinism!

 

[Robert Snow]

I do not believe in a false gospel. People who believe in a false gospel have a false salvation. You should be ashamed to say such things, especially being an administrator.

I would report you, but I suppose that wouldn't do any good.

People like Dr. Bob use their authority to control the flow of the threads; those who agree with him are free to say almost anything. Those who disagree are not afforded the same consideration.

I guess when you view sovereignty the way he does, it's difficult not to see your views as sovereign over what others think!

 

[glfredrick]

People like Dr. Bob use their authority to control the flow of the threads; those who agree with him are free to say almost anything. Those who disagree are not afforded the same consideration.

I guess when you view sovereignty the way he does, it's difficult not to see your views as sovereign over what others think!

I hardly see where your chance to say whatever is on your mind has been curtailed in the least.

 

[quantumfaith]

I do not believe in a false gospel. People who believe in a false gospel have a false salvation. You should be ashamed to say such things, especially being an administrator.

I would report you, but I suppose that wouldn't do any good.

I am somewhat in agreement Amy, on a board which a particular moderator is assigned, they should be a bit more circumspect, much like a journalist is supposed to be. On threads which they do not have the "moderator" role, then they should be as one of us.

 

[quantumfaith]

False Gospel?? You're saying those of us who believe it is a choice, and, in turn, call for men to repent and believe on Christ, believe and preach a false gospel??

I am in agreement, seems to me to a bit "out of bounds" by most standards, particularly for the role of a moderator.

Somethings should just be kept to oneself, but we are all sometimes guilty of letting loose with things better left unsaid.