God Causes or Allows Whatsoever Comes to Pass.

[Zaatar71]

Yes, one of the meanings of a Hebrew word is "without definite aim" and is translated as "random in 1 Kings 22:34 and 2 Chronicles 18:33.

But the actual issue is the false claim, all the chance events simply reflect the human perspective, but God's plan has Him in complete control of everything that happens. An archer launches an arrow without definite aim and it lands in a crevice of the kings armor. Does the verse say God caused the arrow to land exactly where it did? Nope, so the claim has no actual support. On the other hand, every word is inspired, chosen by God to convey His message, so without explicit reference to human perception only, such a nullification claim is without merit.

God's comprehensive plan could be for some things to happen by chance, without being predetermined, or being caused by God, such as our sin. Since God is not the author of sin, God did not predestine our each and every sin.

As you continue to seek to oppose biblical teaching by offering a version of the events that will not pass the test of revealed scriptures.
How so you ask??? I will be happy to help you as you are a budding Calvinist.
God has declared this; Heb.9:27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:

And a certain man drew a bow at a venture, and smote the king of Israel between the joints of the harness:

Providence is the outworking of all that God has ordained to come to pass. As previous posts have clarified this we can see it was his appointed time of death. The archer who shot the arrow did not have a crossbow with a scope to aim it at the space in the armor. So it can be spoken of as Peradventure, or by chance, in that from his stand-point it was a random shot. God orchestrated all the providential details so that this result took place. God who knows the end from the beginning, knew exactly what was going to happen because He ordained to take place.

 

[Van]

As you continue to seek to oppose biblical teaching by offering a version of the events that will not pass the test of revealed scriptures.
How so you ask??? I will be happy to help you as you are a budding Calvinist.
God has declared this; Heb.9:27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:

And a certain man drew a bow at a venture, and smote the king of Israel between the joints of the harness:

Providence is the outworking of all that God has ordained to come to pass. As previous posts have clarified this we can see it was his appointed time of death. The archer who shot the arrow did not have a crossbow with a scope to aim it at the space in the armor. So it can be spoken of as Peradventure, or by chance, in that from his stand-point it was a random shot. God orchestrated all the providential details so that this result took place. God who knows the end from the beginning, knew exactly what was going to happen because He ordained to take place.

Folks, ever notice deceivers often charge truth tellers with the same malfeasance they practice. I am charged with opposing biblical teaching, but
my view passes the text of scripture. Note the citation of Hebrews 9:27 which says we die once then face judgement. Does this conflict with anything I have presented? Nope, God predestines some things, but allows other things to happen by chance or human choice.

There is nothing wrong with the doctrine of Providence, that God's plan for our lives will, at the end of the day provide for our well-being. But to claim this doctrine requires everything to be predestined or caused directly by God is simply reading human agenda into God's word. Nothing in the passage says the archers arrow was aimed by God without the knowledge of the inspired author. That again is simply reading into the text what it does not say.

Last point, does scripture say "God knows the end from the beginning?" Nope. So the poster either does not know what scripture actually says, or is willing to misrepresent scripture to support man-made doctrine.

Now recall that I am the one charged with "opposes biblical teaching!"

 

[Van]

So when the Bible stated to us prophecy, was that predestined and decreed as what must happen still yet, or was it a "good guess, hoping comes true?"

Obfuscation, as God declares the end from the beginning.

 

[Van]

Another way to say what Van wrote is this:

“Sometimes God acts this way, and sometimes God acts that way; we just never know with that God of ours. Sometimes God is the One acting and sometimes God is the One acted upon.”

People like Van have an image in their minds of God as being like the gods of Greek mythology or the "superheroes" of modern day Marvel movies.

The Biblical truth is that ALL things whatsoever are for God’s glory. Period. Regardless of the inability of fallen man’s puny brain, and that is all of us, to comprehend the why or the how.

Yet another nonsense post addressing my behavior but running from the issue.

The LORD could cause an outcome or allow a random outcome. Either would be from the Lord who causes or allows whatsoever comes to pass. Thus, like all the rest of the "God causes everything according to His plan" arguments, the support is simply read into the verse, where none actually exists. See Proverbs 16:33.

 

[Zaatar71]

Last point, does scripture say "God knows the end from the beginning?" Nope. So the poster either does not know what scripture actually says, or is willing to misrepresent scripture to support man-made doctrine.
Now recall that I am the one charged with "opposes biblical teaching!"

18 Known unto God are all his works from the beginning of the world.

 

[KenH]

Isaiah 46:9-10 Remember the former things of old: for I am God, and there is none else; I am God, and there is none like me, declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure.

(emphasis mine)

 

[Van]

18 Known unto God are all his works from the beginning of the world.

Once again, the verse this poster misrepresented was:
New King James Version Isaiah 46:10
Declaring the end from the beginning, And from ancient times things that are not yet done, Saying, ‘My counsel shall stand, And I will do all My pleasure,’

When does scripture say God makes known His works? From ancient times, from long ago, NOT from eternity.

Now to Acts 15:18 NASB
Act 15:18
SAYS THE LORD, WHO MAKES THESE THINGS known from long ago.

So the critical text does not include the claim found in the Majority Text or the TR. And what are "these things" that God had made known? That there is no other God, God alone is the only savior for all people. See Isaiah 45:19-22

 

[Zaatar71]

Once again, the verse this poster misrepresented was:
New King James Version Isaiah 46:10
Declaring the end from the beginning, And from ancient times things that are not yet done, Saying, ‘My counsel shall stand, And I will do all My pleasure,’

When does scripture say God makes known His works? From ancient times, from long ago, NOT from eternity.

Now to Acts 15:18 NASB
Act 15:18
SAYS THE LORD, WHO MAKES THESE THINGS known from long ago.

So the critical text does not include the claim found in the Majority Text or the TR. And what are "these things" that God had made known? That there is no other God, God alone is the only savior for all people. See Isaiah 45:19-22

JUB
Known unto God are all his works from the beginning of the world.
KJV
Known unto God are all his works from the beginning of the world.
AKJV
Known unto God are all his works from the beginning of the world.
LSB
Says the Lord, who makes these things known from long ago.
LEB
known from of old.’
TLB
That is what the Lord says, who reveals his plans made from the beginningMEV
Known to God are all His works since the beginning of the world.
MOUNCE
known from long ago.’
NOG
He is the one who will do these things that have always been known!’
NABRE
known from of old.’
NASB
Says the Lord, who makes these things known from long ago.
NASB1995
Says the Lord, who makes these things known from long ago.
NCB
as he made known from long ago.’
NCV
And these things have been known for a long time.’ Amos 9:11–12
NET
known from long ago.
NIRV
The Lord does things that have been known from long ago.
NIV
things known from long ago.
NIVUK
things known from long ago.
NKJV
“Known to God from eternity are all His works.
NLV
God has made all His works known from the beginning of time.’.

 

[Van]

SNIP [Selected versions of Acts 15:18 by Van]
KJV
Known unto God are all his works from the beginning of the world.
SNIP
NASB
Says the Lord, who makes these things known from long ago.
SNIP
“Known to God from eternity are all His works.
NLV
God has made all His works known from the beginning of time.’.

Obfuscation, citing unidentified verse without reference to what it supports.

Acts 15:17-18 says "So that the rest of humanity, even the Gentiles invited by My name, may seek the LORD, says the Lord who makes these things known from long ago. " The Lord made these things know in Isaiah 45:19-22 and continues to make these things known by His word.

 

[JesusFan]

Obfuscation, citing unidentified verse without reference to what it supports.

Acts 15:17-18 says "So that the rest of humanity, even the Gentiles invited by My name, may seek the LORD, says the Lord who makes these things known from long ago. " The Lord made these things know in Isaiah 45:19-22 and continues to make these things known by His word.

God knows all things from eternity, as to Him everything has already happened, but we who are stuck in linear time need it to srill happen for us to know about it

 

[JesusFan]

Folks, ever notice deceivers often charge truth tellers with the same malfeasance they practice. I am charged with opposing biblical teaching, but
my view passes the text of scripture. Note the citation of Hebrews 9:27 which says we die once then face judgement. Does this conflict with anything I have presented? Nope, God predestines some things, but allows other things to happen by chance or human choice.

There is nothing wrong with the doctrine of Providence, that God's plan for our lives will, at the end of the day provide for our well-being. But to claim this doctrine requires everything to be predestined or caused directly by God is simply reading human agenda into God's word. Nothing in the passage says the archers arrow was aimed by God without the knowledge of the inspired author. That again is simply reading into the text what it does not say.

Last point, does scripture say "God knows the end from the beginning?" Nope. So the poster either does not know what scripture actually says, or is willing to misrepresent scripture to support man-made doctrine.

Now recall that I am the one charged with "opposes biblical teaching!"

Again, you seem to think that we Calvinists state that everything that happened was direct caused by God