God-given unalienable rights - non-sense!

[Wesley Briggman]

‘Gone Off The Rails’: Colorado Dems Stir Up Hornet’s Nest After Passing One Of America’s Most Extreme Anti-Gun Laws
“This bill is putting a paywall in front of a God-given, unalienable right — and that’s the right to self-defense and the right to keep a free nation,” Winter, assistant minority leader in the Colorado House, told the Daily Caller News Foundation.

If, indeed the right is unalienable, then no "paywall" can have any effect on its implementation!

Definition of UNALIENABLE
unalienable: impossible to take away or give up : inalienable


Declaration of Independence: A Transcription
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."

I do not read anywhere in scripture where God issued to all men any endowments or unalienable rights.

Since life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness are among these so-called unalienable rights, what are the other rights not revealed?

What a bunch of nonsense!

 

[Charlie24]

‘Gone Off The Rails’: Colorado Dems Stir Up Hornet’s Nest After Passing One Of America’s Most Extreme Anti-Gun Laws
“This bill is putting a paywall in front of a God-given, unalienable right — and that’s the right to self-defense and the right to keep a free nation,” Winter, assistant minority leader in the Colorado House, told the Daily Caller News Foundation.

If, indeed the right is unalienable, then no "paywall" can have any effect on its implementation!

Definition of UNALIENABLE
unalienable: impossible to take away or give up : inalienable


Declaration of Independence: A Transcription
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."

I do not read anywhere in scripture where God issued to all men any endowments or unalienable rights.

Since life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness are among these so-called unalienable rights, what are the other rights not revealed?

What a bunch of nonsense!

It's based on the Law of Moses (justifiable homicide) that man can protect life and property without blood for blood being shed in justice.

Exodus 22:2

"If a thief be found breaking up, and be smitten that he die, there shall no blood be shed for him."

Back then they had swords, spears, and many other weapons for protection, today Charlie has shotguns, rifles, and my personal favorite, 1911 Colt .45, that I learned to use in the Army.

 

[Charlie24]

It's based on the Law of Moses (justifiable homicide) that man can protect life and property without blood for blood being shed in justice.

Exodus 22:2

"If a thief be found breaking up, and be smitten that he die, there shall no blood be shed for him."

Back then they had swords, spears, and many other weapons for protection, today Charlie has shotguns, rifles, and my personal favorite, 1911 Colt .45, that I learned to use in the Army.

I'm from the old school that believes, God created man, and Sam Colt made them equal.

 

[Van]

‘Gone Off The Rails’: Colorado Dems Stir Up Hornet’s Nest After Passing One Of America’s Most Extreme Anti-Gun Laws
“This bill is putting a paywall in front of a God-given, unalienable right — and that’s the right to self-defense and the right to keep a free nation,” Winter, assistant minority leader in the Colorado House, told the Daily Caller News Foundation.

If, indeed the right is unalienable, then no "paywall" can have any effect on its implementation!

Definition of UNALIENABLE
unalienable: impossible to take away or give up : inalienable


Declaration of Independence: A Transcription
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."

I do not read anywhere in scripture where God issued to all men any endowments or unalienable rights.

Since life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness are among these so-called unalienable rights, what are the other rights not revealed?

What a bunch of nonsense!

Your premise has some merit. Whether a theist who believes humans have inherent rights bestowed by God, or an Atheist who believes humans have inherent rights that include the right to compel others, the result is the same, the human "right" to make their own choices can be deprived, including the "right" to life as a result of natural causes or man-made

So I think the idea would better be expressed as inherent rights that should not be deprived by other humans. And when someone is working at depriving humans of their inherent rights, those humans have the "right" to strive to maintain them. No taxation without representation actually reflects no compulsion, but consent may allow similar action.

 

[atpollard]

I do not read anywhere in scripture where God issued to all men any endowments or unalienable rights.

Exodus 20:13-17 [NKJV]
13 "You shall not murder.
14 "You shall not commit adultery.
15 "You shall not steal.
16 "You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.
17 "You shall not covet your neighbor's house; you shall not covet your neighbor's wife, nor his male servant, nor his female servant, nor his ox, nor his donkey, nor anything that [is] your neighbor's."

That which God has forbidden, men are forbidden to do. Thus it is “self evident” that man are, and by God given decree ought to be, free from the fear of such things.

Mankind is forbidden from committing murder, therefore men have an inalienable right to be free from the fear of being murdered.

Mankind is forbidden from adultery, therefore men have have an inalienable right to be free from the fear of being betrayed in the sacred marraige relationship.

Mankind is forbidden from stealing, therefore men have an inalienable right to be secure in their possessions (free from fear of being robbed).

Mankind is forbidden from bearing false witness, therefore men have an inalienable right to be free from the fear of being unjustly spoken about, slandered and lied to with impunity.

Mankind is forbidden from coveting, therefore men have an inalienable right to be secure in their possessions and free from the fear that people will seek you harm out of a ‘love of money’ or a desire to take what God has given you.

The Bible is never naive … it very much recognizes the existance of EVIL. However the existance of evil does not negate the law of God or the right of people to have what God has declared we should have … freedom from these specific acts. The Bible even offers men two bits of advice for dealing with those that would seek to violate our inalienable rights:

1. Be wise as serpents and harmless as doves. [Matthew 10:16]
2. It is not for no reason that rulers wield the sword. [Romans 13:4]

 

[kyredneck]

36​	And he said unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise a wallet; and he that hath none, let him sell his cloak, and buy a sword. Lu 22

But then:

51​	And behold, one of them that were with Jesus stretched out his hand, and drew his sword, and smote the servant of the high priest, and struck off his ear.
52​	Then saith Jesus unto him, Put up again thy sword into its place: for all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword. Mt 26

 

[Charlie24]

36​	And he said unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise a wallet; and he that hath none, let him sell his cloak, and buy a sword. Lu 22

Today that sword is replaced by my shotgun, rifle, or pistol, whichever I feel is appropriate at the time.

 

[Wesley Briggman]

I'm from the old school that believes, God created man, and Sam Colt made them equal.

“We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.”

Do you believe God created all men equal as stated in the preamble to the Declaration of Independence?

If so, are all the "begotten" men equal to the "created" men?

(Jdg 8:30 KJV) And Gideon had threescore and ten sons of his body begotten:[H3318] for he had many wives.
"The KJV translates Strong's H3318 in the following manner: ....out (518x), ....forth (411x), bring (24x), come (24x), proceed (16x), go (13x), depart (10x), miscellaneous (53x)."

Strong's did not include "created" as a derivative of "yaw-tsaw'". Did he make a mistake?

How many men does your bible say God created? Mine lists only one.

Bye the way, in order for all men to be equal by your standard, do you believe they all need to have a Colt 45?

I could go on, but I'll leave some for later.

 

[Charlie24]

“We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.”

Do you believe God created all men equal as stated in the preamble to the Declaration of Independence?

If so, are all the "begotten" men equal to the "created" men?

(Jdg 8:30 KJV) And Gideon had threescore and ten sons of his body begotten:[H3318] for he had many wives.
"The KJV translates Strong's H3318 in the following manner: ....out (518x), ....forth (411x), bring (24x), come (24x), proceed (16x), go (13x), depart (10x), miscellaneous (53x)."

Strong's did not include "created" as a derivative of "yaw-tsaw'". Did he make a mistake?

How many men does your bible say God created? Mine lists only one.

Bye the way, in order for all men to be equal by your standard, do you believe they all need to have a Colt 45?

I could go on, but I'll leave some for later.

The DoI is speaking of the rights of man, in Biblical terminology, no, all men are not created equal.

Some were born slaves, some rich, some poor, etc.

I'm not getting your point!

 

[Wesley Briggman]

I'm not getting your point!

You just made my point!

 

[Charlie24]

You just made my point!

Well, I'm glad that at least you understand your purpose.

 

[Charlie24]

Well, I'm glad that at least you understand your purpose.

You know, Wesley, if the men who formed this nation believed it wasn't necessary for me to bear arms, I wouldn't be bearing arms.

But they did deem it necessary for me to bear arms, whether you like it or not!

 

[Wesley Briggman]

But they did deem it necessary for me to bear arms, whether you like it or not!

Prior to now, I have never considered their position on bearing arms. I bear arms because I deem it necessary for the safety and well-being of my household. I have a Ruger GP100 357 and a Ruger LCR 38. If I made another purchase it would be a semi-automatic 12 gage.

Besides, Jesus advised His disciples to purchase weapons for their protection. I'm certain you are aware this passage!

(Luk 22:36 KJV) Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take [it], and likewise [his] scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.

Have a good evening.

 

[JonC]

@Wesley Briggman makes a good point.

In the Bible men do not have a right to life. Life is sacred not because of an endowment given to man but because God created man in His image (murder is an offence to God). Liberty is also not a right of man, and neither is happiness.

That said, those words were written about secular rights under secular government. It is poetic. And depriving one of those things may indeed be an offence to God, depending on context.

BUT....I've said this before and can only caution @Wesley Briggman that it doesn't go well on this forum. ;-(

 

[Charlie24]

Prior to now, I have never considered their position on bearing arms. I bear arms because I deem it necessary for the safety and well-being of my household. I have a Ruger GP100 357 and a Ruger LCR 38. If I made another purchase it would be a semi-automatic 12 gage.

Besides, Jesus advised His disciples to purchase weapons for their protection. I'm certain you are aware this passage!

(Luk 22:36 KJV) Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take [it], and likewise [his] scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.

Have a good evening.

I like your choice of pistols, I think we would get along just fine on the firing range!

I have to disagree with Luke 22:36 though.

Christ was not telling them to take up the literal sword for protection.

A few verses down they said, "here are two swords" probably the sons of thunder, James and John.

Then Christ said, "it is enough."

They totally missed His point that the "sword" was symbolic for the believer to accept the protection of an ordered government, which at time was Rome.

Christ didn't intend for them to carry swords for protection, but he knew that after He was gone the Holy spirit would bring the understanding of all that He said to their understanding.

I've had all types of guns all my life, born into a family of hunters. I've never one time used them to defend myself, other than a few time while in the military.

I have them because I enjoy practicing with them, it's just a second nature for me.

 

[Ben1445]

I like your choice of pistols, I think we would get along just fine on the firing range!

I have to disagree with Luke 22:36 though.

Christ was not telling them to take up the literal sword for protection.

A few verses down they said, "here are two swords" probably the sons of thunder, James and John.

Then Christ said, "it is enough."

They totally missed His point that the "sword" was symbolic for the believer to accept the protection of an ordered government, which at time was Rome.

Christ didn't intend for them to carry swords for protection, but he knew that after He was gone the Holy spirit would bring the understanding of all that He said to their understanding.

I've had all types of guns all my life, born into a family of hunters. I've never one time used them to defend myself, other than a few time while in the military.

I have them because I enjoy practicing with them, it's just a second nature for me.

I disagree here. Jesus was not telling us to sell our shirt to buy James and John. I think they actually had swords there.
Luke 22:36 Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.

 

[Charlie24]

I disagree here. Jesus was not telling us to sell our shirt to buy James and John. I think they actually had swords there.
Luke 22:36 Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.

Yes, I believe they (two of the apostles) had swords also, but that is not what Christ wanted them to have for protection.

 

[Charlie24]

Yes, I believe they (two of the apostles) had swords also, but that is not what Christ wanted them to have for protection.

The thing that I notice quite often in the Gospels between Christ and the soon to be apostles, is that they got almost everything Christ said wrong.

He went to no extremes to correct them, but gave them time to understand and freely make the correction themselves.

 

[Ben1445]

Yes, I believe they (two of the apostles) had swords also, but that is not what Christ wanted them to have for protection.

He certainly wasn’t saying that James and John were the government.
I fail to see how He was referring to James and John.

 

[Charlie24]

He certainly wasn’t saying that James and John were the government.
I fail to see how He was referring to James and John.

No, I think maybe you misunderstood me.

When they said, "here are two swords" I was referring to it probably being the "the sons of thunder" James and John that said that.

That was just my opinion, as I see them most likely bearing swords.