God hates all workers of iniquity.

I never see that God seperates the sin from the person. It is a person who cimmits sin. Sin if allowed to reighn wil consume. James 1:14, 14 says, "But each one is tempted when he is carried away and enticed by his own lust. Then when lust has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and when sin is accomplished, it brings forth death.

Col. 3:25, "25 For he who does wrong will receive the consequences of the wrong which he has done, and that without partiality."

We always get the result of sin. There is no separation of the sinner from the sin. When sin is allowed to reign it brings forth death. When the person does not allow sin to reign and takes every thought captive to the obedience of Christ he is blessed. He will be like a tree firmly planted by rivers of water.

 

Sheeagle, to add to your list, he also hates:

Jewish rabbis who are teaching a false gospel and denying that his Son has come to save people from their sin

Pious religionists who deny the power of God

Presidents who compromise biblical truth for political correctness with Muslims

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You can't pick and choose because one sin seems worse than another.

God does hate them and what they do. He also sent his son that salvation might be a gift to mankind.

 

This may be the proper thread for it, HCL.
Well here is what I believe the bible teaches and some on this board will disagree I am sure.
According to Heb. 10:26-29 and John 15:22, I believe that these are saved people. It is the willful rejection of Biblical teachings by a saved person. This is not the same as having false beliefs or error which is the results of ingnorance of the scriptures.

Like I said this is my opinion and I think it is biblically based.

 

The doctrine of election and predestination falls upon the same rocks of controversy as this love/hate thing. Why do we feel like the image of our loving Abba Father comes crumbling down if we accept all scripture and realize that one attribute of God in scripture is hate. What about hell, judgement, wrath etc. etc? Like Spurgeon said about the sovereign grace of God; that he finds both God's sovereignty and man's responsibility in scripture and when he comes across them he will preach them both with all his might. We would do well to allow God's descriptions of Himself in holy scripture stand as they are and not polarize ourselves by inaccurate portrayals of the Almighty. We don't need to cover for God. Let Him tell us who He is, not vice-versa.
Soli Deo Gloria.

 

Rom 9:10 And not only this; but when Rebecca also had conceived by one, even by our father Isaac;
Rom 9:11 (For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth
Rom 9:12 It was said unto her, The elder shall serve the younger.
Rom 9:13 As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.
Rom 9:14 What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? God forbid.
Rom 9:15 For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.
Rom 9:16 So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that showeth mercy.
Rom 9:17 For the Scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might show my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth.
Rom 9:18 Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth.


Rom 9:19 Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? For who hath resisted his will?


Rom 9:20 Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus?


Rom 9:21 Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honor, and another unto dishonor?
Rom 9:22 What if God, willing to show his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:
Rom 9:23 And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory,
Rom 9:24 Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?

I think this passage is overly clear on the subject of the hatred of God and Paul answers everyone's objections nicely with verse 20.

WHO are YOU, anyway?

 

The question is WHY did God hate Esau? If we examine this verse in its context in Malachi, we see that His hatred is because of the wickedness of the nation of Edom, which is often called Esau.

 

Scott,
The context in both Rom 9 and Malachi 1 are the same. God is resisting the works of Edom in verses 4-5 and extending His blessing to His people! The reason God hated Esau is somewhat hidden from us in the mind of God, but Rom 9:22-24 gives us a slight glimpse. Again, let's not try to cover for God here. He was willing to show His wrath. For some reason, in the incredible wisdom of our God, He has chosen to reveal two of His attributes that would never have been known to us if we were not sinners. His wrath and His mercy. Can we reply against His most holy plan? No. Do we have the right to tell God what He should do with His creation. Always remember, He had every right to not give His mercy to anyone, but could have damned all of us and yet be without blame. Why don't we look at it from the other side and stand amazed that He has shown mercy at all!

 

And just who is the giver of this faith?

Ephesians 2
8For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, 9not of works, lest anyone should boast.

Philippians 1
29For to you it has been granted on behalf of Christ, not only to believe in Him, but also to suffer for His sake,

Jhn 6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day

John 5
21For just as the Father raises the dead and gives them life, even so the Son gives life to whom he is pleased to give it.

John 10:26
but you do not believe because you are not my sheep.

 

You are saying that God hates the wicked because they don't have faith, and they don't have faith because they will not seek Him. Yet we have already agreed that faith is GIVEN by God as a gift. It does not come as a result of effective seeking by a dead sinner. Paul says that there really are NO seekers of God.

Romans 3:11
There is none who understands; There is none who seeks after God.

Jesus is the only seeker who has the ability to procure what He has sought for.

Luke 19:10
for the Son of Man has come to seek and to save that which was lost."

Who gives us the faith to believe?

1 Peter 1:21
who through Him believe in God, who raised Him from the dead and gave Him glory, so that your faith and hope are in God.

The other thing is, Romans 9 said that God loved Jacob-not because he had faith (because that was impossible), and God hated Esau not because he didn't seek God by faith (because this was also impossible).

Here's the bottom line; faith is a gift of God's grace. Those who seek Him for righteousness through this faith do so only because mercy has been already extended to them in Christ by the Spirit of God.

Romans 9:14
What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? Certainly not!
15For He says to Moses, "I will have mercy on whomever I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whomever I will have compassion."[1] 16So then it is not of him who wills, nor of him who runs, but of God who shows mercy.

 

You know, I have calmly presented scripture in my discussion with you on this thread, and I thought this forum was to be for gracious theological debate in the public square. Your degrading conotation at the end of your last post defies all sensibility and is totally bereft of the Spirit of Christ. You want to talk, let's talk. You want blood on your sword, find some one else to expend vile connotations on.

 

Sola, you will find there are some members of this board who find scholarly & respectful debate to be too much for them to handle. Name calling and "holier-than-thou" attitudes are where the dialogue goes all too often.

 

I think John 3:16 says it all. If God truly hated sinners, He wouldn't have bothered to come here as a human and die for us, would He?

 

perhaps his coming here says more about him than it does about us?