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God Hates the Sin and loves the sinner
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convicted1
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God does love His creation, and He proved it by sending His Son to die for sinners. That's the best way I know to put it.
preacher4truth
Active Member
What does the Bible say about this? You've offered nothing from Scripture.
Psalm 5:5ff?
God hates sinners, abhors them, yet He also love sinners, His elect. As far as sin itself, He hates sin.
Psalm 5:5ff?
God hates sinners, abhors them, yet He also love sinners, His elect. As far as sin itself, He hates sin.
I used to say that, but now I'm not so sure. It seems God has some form of hatred for the sinner him/herself as well.
Psa 5:4 NASB - For You are not a God who takes pleasure in wickedness; No evil dwells with You.
Psa 5:5 NASB - The boastful shall not stand before Your eyes; You hate all who do iniquity.
Psa 5:6 NASB - You destroy those who speak falsehood; The LORD abhors the man of bloodshed and deceit.
Dang. Beat me to it
Psa 5:4 NASB - For You are not a God who takes pleasure in wickedness; No evil dwells with You.
Psa 5:5 NASB - The boastful shall not stand before Your eyes; You hate all who do iniquity.
Psa 5:6 NASB - You destroy those who speak falsehood; The LORD abhors the man of bloodshed and deceit.
Dang. Beat me to it
preacher4truth
Active Member
I used to say that, but now I'm not so sure. It seems God has some form of hatred for the sinner him/herself as well.
Psa 5:4 NASB - For You are not a God who takes pleasure in wickedness; No evil dwells with You.
Psa 5:5 NASB - The boastful shall not stand before Your eyes; You hate all who do iniquity.
Psa 5:6 NASB - You destroy those who speak falsehood; The LORD abhors the man of bloodshed and deceit.
Dang. Beat me to it
lol...you were seconds behind...I almost didn't hit send due to caring for our 3 year old girl, but hit it anyway...lol....:wavey:
convicted1
Guest
Well, man being sinful, God showed His love by sending His Son to die for sinners. That's what I am trying to say. God had to love us as sinners, if not, He wouldn't have sent Jesus to bear our sins upon the cross.
salzer mtn
Well-Known Member
Psa 5:5 The foolish shall not stand in thy sight: thou hatest all workers of iniquity. Psa11:5 The Lord trieth the righteous: but the wicked and him that loveth violence his soul hateth. In Psa 5:5 God said he hated the workers; the person that did the works. In psa 11:5 the person that God hated was he that was behind the violence. The God that hates as well as loves is a God that religionist and wordlings cannot stand. They cry out with the Jews that crucified Christ, away with this man, we will not have this man to rule over us.
Ah well. I quoted more so :tongue3:
But seriously though, this issue like others (Election, sovereignty etc) need to be held in 'tension.'
My pastor describes it this way: Imagine you have a rubber band looped around your thumb and forefinger. Spread your fingers apart and you get tension, the band trying to bring your fingers together again but your fingers resisting. In the same way we have seemingly opposing views in scripture that must be held in tension to avoid a 'lopsided' view of God.
So someway, somehow, God loves sinners enough to pour out His wrath on Jesus in our place. But He also hates sinners enough to damn them to the lake of fire if they do not repent and believe.
convicted1
Guest
I get the fact that God hates sinners. I get that. I really do. Yet, there were passages that God, even in His anger, His arm is still stretched out.
Well...unlless you are a Calvi. Then He hates the sin and loves only the elect.
convicted1
Guest
:thumbs::thumbs::thumbs:
preacher4truth
Active Member
Exactly; He loves sinners and hates sinners.
Wonder what it means?
Words to His remnant perchance?
preacher4truth
Active Member
Well, if it weren't for this grilled cheese order from a 3 year old!!!!
PROVIDENCE PREVAILED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :laugh: :laugh:
:laugh::laugh:
quantumfaith
Active Member
Tension.....so very true RL....scripture and our lives and existence are replete with many such "tensions". I "think" that it just might be intentional.... God desiring us to wrestle with these tensions....never in our capabilities able to resolve them.....
convicted1
Guest
Maybe. All any of us can go by is all the examples put forth in the scriptures. We know He loved sinners enough to send His Son to die in our stead. Eventhough we were, and still are, worthy of eternal death, He enterceded by placing His Son there to bear our sins. That's love to the inth degree.
salzer mtn
Well-Known Member
I think where a lot of people miss the point is they try to classify the wicked and the sinners together. The bible says in 1 Pet 4:18 If the righteous scarcely be saved where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear ? I don't think you will find in scripture where God hates a sinner but his wrath is kindled against the wicked and ungodly. We that are saved had to be convinced by the Holy Ghost that we are sinners, and we are convinced that we are nothing but sinners saved by grace all the day's of our lives. I believe it was Martin Luther that said, a sinner is a precious thing, the Holy Ghost has made him such.
preacher4truth
Active Member
:thumbsup:
Heavens sake, I love this 3 year old girl!! But thanks to her you won! And after her order, she didn't even eat it!!!!!!!! 'Here Da-Da!!!!' and she threw it on my desk! :laugh:
quantumfaith
Active Member
That is because God does not merely love his creation.....He IS LOVE. In fact I think there is a scripture that states exactly that.
convicted1
Guest
Well, apparently your child will never be a baptist. If so, they would have wanted a grilled chicken sandwich. :tongue3: :love2: