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God is a what?
- Thread starter gekko
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Was your friend specifically speaking about the human nature of Jesus, or the nature of God?
Male and female are human physical characteristics. The human nature of Jesus was obviously male. But God is pure spirit, and does not share human physical characteristics.
While it may be true that God chose to reveal Himself as 'male' throughout most of the Bible, there are also feminine references to God. Therefore both father and mother attributes are part of the 'spiritual' nature of God, and "So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them."
Male and female are human physical characteristics. The human nature of Jesus was obviously male. But God is pure spirit, and does not share human physical characteristics.
While it may be true that God chose to reveal Himself as 'male' throughout most of the Bible, there are also feminine references to God. Therefore both father and mother attributes are part of the 'spiritual' nature of God, and "So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them."
standingfirminChrist
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God both woman and man? Just where are these so-called references you speak of? Male and female created He them is not referring to God being feminine at all.
We must remember, God is a Spirit. Jesus never referred to God as 'mother' or 'she', now did He?
Saying God is male and female is getting into a doctrine that is far from the truth of God's Word. It is as heretical as Benny Hinn's 9 headed god.
We must remember, God is a Spirit. Jesus never referred to God as 'mother' or 'she', now did He?
Saying God is male and female is getting into a doctrine that is far from the truth of God's Word. It is as heretical as Benny Hinn's 9 headed god.
I didn't say God is male and female as in human attributes, but rather there are both masculine and feminine references to God, although certainly more masculine. And yes, God is Spirit (I think I said that), neither 'male' nor 'female'.standingfirminChrist said:
But there are references to God having a womb, breasts, and giving birth, all distinctively 'feminine' language. In Proverbs, the wisdom of God is referred to as 'she'. In a companion parable to the good shepherd searching for one lost sheep is that of the woman carefully sweeping for one lost coin. Who does this woman represent but God? So to claim that God is 'male' (as some do) or that God is only revealed in masculine terms (as some do) would not be correct.
standingfirminChrist
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You must be reading a comic book instead of the Bible.
The Bible does not have reference to God having a womb, breast or to God giving birth.
The Bible does not have reference to God having a womb, breast or to God giving birth.
standingfirminChrist
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Your statement that the woman looking for a lost coin is speaking of God is a false statement. It is false witness.
Read the parable again. Nowhere does it say God is a woman. It only shows a woman seeks for a lost coin.
Wisdom is referred to as she, correct. But it does not say anywhere in Scripture that God is referred to as she.
Your doctrine is like a sieve... it doesn't hold water.
Read the parable again. Nowhere does it say God is a woman. It only shows a woman seeks for a lost coin.
Wisdom is referred to as she, correct. But it does not say anywhere in Scripture that God is referred to as she.
Your doctrine is like a sieve... it doesn't hold water.
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De 32:18 - “You deserted the Rock who fathered you; you forgot the God who gave you birth.”
Job 38 – God’s questioning of Job. Example verses 4-5 “Where were you when I laid the earth’s foundation? Tell me if you understand. Who marked off its dimensions?” All questions where the answer is “God”. Continues for the chapter. Verses 29-30 “From whose womb comes the ice? Who gives birth to the frost from the heavens when the waters become hard as stone, when the surface of the deep is frozen?”
Ecclesiastes 11:4-5 “Whoever watches the wind will not plant; whoever looks at the clouds will not reap. As you do not know the path of the wind, or how the body is formed in a mother's womb, so you cannot understand the work of God, the Maker of all things”
Genesis 49:24-25 But his bow remained steady, his strong arms stayed limber, because of the hand of the Mighty One of Jacob, because of the Shepherd, the Rock of Israel, because of your father's God, who helps you, because of the Almighty, who blesses you with blessings of the heavens above, blessings of the deep that lies below, blessings of the breast and womb.
Job 38 – God’s questioning of Job. Example verses 4-5 “Where were you when I laid the earth’s foundation? Tell me if you understand. Who marked off its dimensions?” All questions where the answer is “God”. Continues for the chapter. Verses 29-30 “From whose womb comes the ice? Who gives birth to the frost from the heavens when the waters become hard as stone, when the surface of the deep is frozen?”
Ecclesiastes 11:4-5 “Whoever watches the wind will not plant; whoever looks at the clouds will not reap. As you do not know the path of the wind, or how the body is formed in a mother's womb, so you cannot understand the work of God, the Maker of all things”
Genesis 49:24-25 But his bow remained steady, his strong arms stayed limber, because of the hand of the Mighty One of Jacob, because of the Shepherd, the Rock of Israel, because of your father's God, who helps you, because of the Almighty, who blesses you with blessings of the heavens above, blessings of the deep that lies below, blessings of the breast and womb.
Who does the woman in the parable represent?standingfirminChrist said:
For example, in the parable of the prodigal son, does the father not represent God? Who does the woman seeking the lost coin represent?
And in Proverbs, whose wisdom is being referred to? Does 'wisdom' exist as an entity separate from a person (seems like a pretty pagan concept to me).
standingfirminChrist
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Learn to rightly read and rightly divide the Word of Truth before you state that God has a womb or that God gave birth.
You are pulling verses out of context. Read the verses in their proper context.
Your theory that God is feminine is a pagan concept.
You are pulling verses out of context. Read the verses in their proper context.
Your theory that God is feminine is a pagan concept.
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Danny Hurley
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Maybe this doesen't fit this thread, but did any females raise among the saints that arose after the resurrection of Jesus?
standingfirminChrist
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mrtumnus said:
It is not speaking of a literal womb... it is nothing but an allegory. God is not feminine.
The fact that Christ never once called God 'mother' or 'she' should give you a clue.
standingfirminChrist
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Danny Hurley said:
All who trusted God before the cross were resurrected upon Christ's death on the cross... male and female.
Danny Hurley
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Were the 144,000 that were redeemed from among men, in revelations among or were they the saints that arose at the resurrection of Christ? they were not defiled with women, they were virgins, these were the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb.
standingfirminChrist
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The 144,000 in Revelation are all Jews. Twelve thousand from each of twelve tribes.
Should give me a clue about what? Is it your opinion that God is masculine? A male? That a "Spirit" can be either male or female, and that God is male? (You've never answered that question).standingfirminChrist said:
Of course it's not speaking of a literal womb. God has no physical attributes at all. Male either. However, since males do not have wombs, this reference, allegorical or not, is feminine. Why is that such a problem?
Is it a problem that God says He will comfort us "as a mother comforts a child'?
But then again, you don't answer my questions. I'll try again.
1) When God asks Job, "“From whose womb comes the ice? Who gives birth to the frost from the heavens when the waters become hard as stone, when the surface of the deep is frozen?” -- what's the answer?
2) In the parable of the woman sweeping to find the lost coin -- where the coin represents the 'sinner', who does the woman represent?
3) In the book of Proverbs, whose wisdom is being discussed as 'she'?
Bible passages showing God having female attributes
Genesis 1:26-27 Women and Men created in God’s image
“Then God said, ‘Let us make humankind in our image, according to our likeness…So God created humankind in God’s image, in the image of God s/he created them; male and female God created them.”
Hosea 11:3-4 God described as a mother
God: “Yet it was I who taught Ephraim to walk, I who took them up in my arms; but they did not know that I healed them. I led them with cords of human kindness, with bands of love. I was to them like those who lift infants to their cheeks. I bent down to them and fed them.”
Hosea 13:8 God described as a mother bear
God: “I will fall upon them like a bear robbed of her cubs…”
Deuteronomy 32:11-12 God described as a mother eagle
“As an eagle stirs up its nest, and hovers over its young as it spreads its wings, takes them up and bears them aloft on its pinions, the Lord alone guided him…”
Deuteronomy 32:18 God who gives birth
“You were unmindful of the Rock that bore you; you forgot the God who gave you birth.”
Isaiah 66:13 God as a comforting mother
God: “As a mother comforts her child, so I will comfort you; you shall be comforted in Jerusalem.”
Isaiah 49:15 God compared to a nursing mother
God: “Can a woman forget her nursing child, or show no compassion for the child of her womb? Even these may forget, yet I will not forget you.”
Isaiah 42:14 God as a woman in labor
God: “For a long time I have held my peace, I have kept myself still and restrained myself; now I will cry out like a woman in labor, I will gasp and pant.”
Jeremiah 44:25 Queen of Heaven
“Thus says…the God of Israel: You and your wives have accomplished in deeds what you declared in words, ‘We are determined to …make offerings to the queen of heaven and to pour out libations to her.’ By all means, keep your vows and make your libations!”
Psalm131:2 God as a Mother
“But I have calmed and quieted my soul, like a weaned child with its mother; my soul is like the weaned child that is with me.”
Psalm 123:2 God compared to a woman
“As the eyes of a servant looks to the hand of their master, as the eyes of a maid to the hand of her mistress, so our eyes look to the Lord our God, until God has mercy on us.”
Matthew 23:37 and Luke 13:34 God as a Mother Hen
Jesus: “Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the city that kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to it! How often have I desired to gather your children together as a hen gathers her brood under her wings, and you were not willing!”
Luke 15:8-10 God as woman looking for her lost coin
Jesus: “Or what woman having ten silver coins, is she loses one of them, does not light a lamp, sweep the house, and search carefully until she finds it? When she has found it, she calls together her friends and neighbors saying, ‘Rejoice with me, for I have found the coin that I had lost.’ Just so, I tell you, there is joy in the presence of the angels of God over one sinner who repents.”
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Genesis 1:26-27 Women and Men created in God’s image
“Then God said, ‘Let us make humankind in our image, according to our likeness…So God created humankind in God’s image, in the image of God s/he created them; male and female God created them.”
Hosea 11:3-4 God described as a mother
God: “Yet it was I who taught Ephraim to walk, I who took them up in my arms; but they did not know that I healed them. I led them with cords of human kindness, with bands of love. I was to them like those who lift infants to their cheeks. I bent down to them and fed them.”
Hosea 13:8 God described as a mother bear
God: “I will fall upon them like a bear robbed of her cubs…”
Deuteronomy 32:11-12 God described as a mother eagle
“As an eagle stirs up its nest, and hovers over its young as it spreads its wings, takes them up and bears them aloft on its pinions, the Lord alone guided him…”
Deuteronomy 32:18 God who gives birth
“You were unmindful of the Rock that bore you; you forgot the God who gave you birth.”
Isaiah 66:13 God as a comforting mother
God: “As a mother comforts her child, so I will comfort you; you shall be comforted in Jerusalem.”
Isaiah 49:15 God compared to a nursing mother
God: “Can a woman forget her nursing child, or show no compassion for the child of her womb? Even these may forget, yet I will not forget you.”
Isaiah 42:14 God as a woman in labor
God: “For a long time I have held my peace, I have kept myself still and restrained myself; now I will cry out like a woman in labor, I will gasp and pant.”
Jeremiah 44:25 Queen of Heaven
“Thus says…the God of Israel: You and your wives have accomplished in deeds what you declared in words, ‘We are determined to …make offerings to the queen of heaven and to pour out libations to her.’ By all means, keep your vows and make your libations!”
Psalm131:2 God as a Mother
“But I have calmed and quieted my soul, like a weaned child with its mother; my soul is like the weaned child that is with me.”
Psalm 123:2 God compared to a woman
“As the eyes of a servant looks to the hand of their master, as the eyes of a maid to the hand of her mistress, so our eyes look to the Lord our God, until God has mercy on us.”
Matthew 23:37 and Luke 13:34 God as a Mother Hen
Jesus: “Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the city that kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to it! How often have I desired to gather your children together as a hen gathers her brood under her wings, and you were not willing!”
Luke 15:8-10 God as woman looking for her lost coin
Jesus: “Or what woman having ten silver coins, is she loses one of them, does not light a lamp, sweep the house, and search carefully until she finds it? When she has found it, she calls together her friends and neighbors saying, ‘Rejoice with me, for I have found the coin that I had lost.’ Just so, I tell you, there is joy in the presence of the angels of God over one sinner who repents.”
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standingfirminChrist
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Crabtownboy said:
The New Revised Standard Version sure has it wrong too.