God is Light and E= mc2

Amen John !

 

You should do the math!

What are the dimensions of the New Jerusalem? 1500 MILES (12,000 furlongs, a furlong is 660ft or 1/8th mile) side and 1500 miles High. This earth's atmosphere is a mere 150 miles thick. that leaves 1350 miles of the Jerusalem in a vacuum.

If a square of 1500 by 1500 miles were placed in America with the upper right corner resting in Independence Missouri, the lower left corner would be approximately 600 miles west of Acapulco Mexico.

The sheer mass of such a "city" would so off balance the earth, that the earth would self destruct due to loss of gravity!

Care to reconsider your inane comment?

 

Wes.

Which one ? ...but I'm not familiar with all the arguments surrounding the renewal?

Thanks for the maths.

johnp.

 

Wes.

REV 21:22 I did not see a temple in the city, because the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are its temple. 23 The city does not need the sun or the moon to shine on it, for the glory of God gives it light, and the Lamb is its lamp. 24 The nations will walk by its light, and the kings of the earth will bring their splendor into it. 25 On no day will its gates ever be shut, for there will be no night there. 26 The glory and honor of the nations will be brought into it. 27 Nothing impure will ever enter it, nor will anyone who does what is shameful or deceitful, but only those whose names are written in the Lamb's book of life.
Doesn't sound as if it will be in a vacuum to me.

Did you get a map out or is this a generally know fact?

Why 'sheer mass'? Do you know something I don't? How does mass cause a loss of gravity? You been reading up on what the cosmologists dream up?
Anyway this might upset ILUVLIGHT. He might think God has overlooked this problem!

johnp.

 

My point is in response to the proposition that this present earth is eternal. This present earth and the heavens will pass away according to Revelation, to be Replaced by a new heaven and New earth to which the New Jerusalem will descent and God will live among his people.

Yes, I did use a map! but only briefly to prove to a Mormon that the New Jerusalem could never come to this earth. Mormon doctrine says that Independence Missouri is, or will be where the New Jerusalem comes to this earth!

 

Wes.

Do we not pass away but remain everlasting?

He lives with His people already man. But in His flesh we shall see Him. The Shepherd Judge.

Yea? Wow!
So what is going to happen then when this great hulking mass decends on Israel? Squish a load of people will it?
Are you saying the nature of things will change? Whether it comes down on a renewed earth or a bright shiny new one it will still be too big for it's foundations won't it?

johnp.

 

He lives with His people already man. But in His flesh we shall see Him. The Shepherd Judge.

Yea? Wow!
So what is going to happen then when this great hulking mass decends on Israel? Squish a load of people will it?
Are you saying the nature of things will change? Whether it comes down on a renewed earth or a bright shiny new one it will still be too big for it's foundations won't it?

johnp. </font>[/QUOTE]Don't pass away?

Never heard of this?

P.S. the Israel that we know will not exist in the creation made new.

 

It is only Israel that will exist in the New Heavens and the New Earth.
Are you saying the nature of things will change? Whether it comes down on a renewed earth or a bright shiny new one it will still be too big for it's foundations won't it?
Was the question.

johnp.

 

I've never seen the foundation of the world to be able to determine whether or not it is too big for for its foundation(s). I do not understand how you are using the term foundation. Are you talking about beginnings or are you talking about the footing of a structure?

 

Wes.

The New Heaven and Earth. You said that such a structure would cause all sorts of problems if it came down on a renewed earth.
I asked you if the new earth was going to be different in nature to this one because the New Jerusalem is still going to decend is it not?

johnp.

 

Hi Wes;
New Jerusalem will be on a new earth and under a new heaven.
May Christ shine His Light On Us All;
Mike

 

ILUVLIGHT.

If God is coming down here to live won't Heaven come with Him? You don't believe in a Heaven Godless do you?
I'm interested that's all. Since it's going to be home for a while I'd like to hear about it. As I said I don't know the arguments surrounding this subject. If you have information ILUVLIGHT I'd like to hear it.

What do you think, is there to be a new nature? Is the world to be recreated or renewed. I think it says somewhere in Acts that it is to be a restoration.

johnp.

 

Johnp,

The old heavens and earth have passed away!

The new earth will be with seas. What more do you want to know?

 

Excuse me, that second sentence should read, "the new earth will be without seas."

Twill also have no mountains, thus no barriers to man coming together, being one family of God!

 

No seas no mountains is fine but you said the mass would knock earth out of kilter. Is the mass different on the New Earth?

johnp.

 

One Can only assume that God, the Great Designer of all that exists, takes that into consideration with the New Heavens and New Earth.

But I would suspect that since we have no need for the flesh, that God has no need for things natural and physical. So the New Earth may be completely and totally a creation of the spiritual realm, and not of the physical realm as what we live on today.

 

This is what you wrote Wes.

You should do the math!

What are the dimensions of the New Jerusalem? 1500 MILES (12,000 furlongs, a furlong is 660ft or 1/8th mile) side and 1500 miles High. This earth's atmosphere is a mere 150 miles thick. that leaves 1350 miles of the Jerusalem in a vacuum.

If a square of 1500 by 1500 miles were placed in America with the upper right corner resting in Independence Missouri, the lower left corner would be approximately 600 miles west of Acapulco Mexico.

The sheer mass of such a "city" would so off balance the earth, that the earth would self destruct due to loss of gravity!

Care to reconsider your inane comment?

Doesn't the answer you give in your last post also apply to mine?
One Can only assume that God, the Great Designer of all that exists, takes that into consideration with the New Heavens and New Earth.

But we have a need for the flesh, that is what makes us man. We want to be with Jesus in the flesh because He is in the flesh don't we?

As you see from your original post you have gone from the physical to the spiritual?

You quote at length on Revelation 21:1-27. If we take one example, say 'the sixth ruby'. This would mean that there are spiritural ruby's would it not? Seems a bit odd to me. What do you think?

johnp.