God looks upon the heart

[The Biblicist]

I don't know which version of scripture you are using, but mine does not use the term "horizontal".

You can't read too well as I never claimed the term "horizontal" was found in the Biblical text. You are willing ignorant as the text spells it out clearly that he speaking in relationship of men and in the view of men.

Jesus was speaking to certain Pharisees here, not all men. You lack discernment.

Are you so ignorant to imagine that salvation occurs one way for some men and another way for other men???? If the pharisee must be "FIRST" cleansed within before God recognizes anything clean outside so it is with all men as God does not have two different ways to be saved. Can't you read? Twice he states that the external "clean" is only in "appearance" before men but rejected by God as the internal is unclean.

 

[Yeshua1]

Again, would you please simply show the book and verses where you claim Jesus said that everyone apart from him was a child of Satan, and that only saved people can do good?

I ask because I know scripture where Jesus said sinners can do good.

Luk 6:33 And if ye do good to them which do good to you, what thank have ye? for sinners also do even the same.

Jesus here said sinners can do good. That seems to contradict what you claim Jesus said. So once again, where was that scripture??

And I don't recall Jesus saying all unsaved people were children of Satan. In fact, Jesus told his disciples they must be converted and become as little children to enter heaven. Does this sound like little children are children of Satan to you?

Mat 18:3 And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven.

You are a smart guy, you can almost spell, does this sound like little children are children of Satan to you?

what it sounds like is that we are all sinners by both birth and choice, that we have natures that were corrupted by the fall, and that you and I were BOTH children under domenion of satan before God in HIS grace chose to reddem us out of there into the Kingdom of his Son jesus!

NONE do good, in the absolute since that God requires it to be done, as we are blind and sinful beings, whose ONLY hope is to fall upon the grace and mercies of the Living God!