God shows up at Chick-fil-A

[John of Japan]

Why don't you explain your accusation so everybody can understand your state of mind?

He believes what was recorded on the video and shared it.

Taking the name of God in vain? I don't think you understand what that commandment even means.

But do us all a favor and enlighten us, would you John of Japan?

To take God's name in vain means to say one of His many names to no purpose, as an epithet--thus "in vain." The OP author used God's name to no purpose--thus "in vain." That is not only highly offensive to me, it is against God's moral law, the Ten Commandments. Now, when someone takes God's name in vain, they should not be worried about me at all, but they have insulted the God of the universe.

 

[NewMusic]

To take God's name in vain means to say one of His many names to no purpose, as an epithet--thus "in vain." The OP author used God's name to no purpose--thus "in vain." That is not only highly offensive to me, it is against God's moral law, the Ten Commandments. Now, when someone takes God's name in vain, they should not be worried about me at all, but they have insulted the God of the universe.

You're all wrong. And you insulted and slandered a brother in Christ because you don't like what he shared, and he has good intentions, too. You need to repent and make public apology for what you did to a brother whom Jesus died for.

Taking the Lord's Name in vain is not anything close to what you just stated. It's not "speaking" the Lord's name vainly, but TAKING it in vain.

To take the Lord's Name in vain is to take advantage of what God does for you by using His Name, and instead of staying committed to Him out of love, honor, and gratefulness, you go back to sinning which means the person has taken up God vainly. Or you went through the motions of repentance, but it was not genuine. Here are several biblical examples. Jesus said:

This people honors me with their lips,
but their heart is far from me;
in vain do they worship me,
teaching as doctrines the commandments of men. (Matthew 15:8-9)

Biblical definitions of the word in use:

• Jeremiah 2:30: “In vain have I struck your children; they took no correction.”
• Jeremiah 4:30: “In vain you beautify yourself. Your lovers despise you.”
• Jeremiah 6:29: “In vain the refining goes on, for the wicked are not removed.”
• Jeremiah 46:11: “In vain you have used many medicines; there is no healing for you.”
• Malachi 3:14: “You have said, ‘It is vain to serve God. What is the profit of our keeping his charge?’”

When the heart is emptied of affections for God, and words are emptied of the truth of God, all thoughts, all words, all emotions, and all actions are empty, pointless, futile, in vain. Therefore, to take the name of God in vain is to take up some expression of God’s reality into our thoughts or emotions or words or actions when the truth of God is not in them, and true affections for God are missing.

Speaking God's name vainly, callously, or irreverently, is sinful, and David did not do that either, but that's not what the 3rd commandment of the 10 is meaning.

David Darling did not sin, especially the sin you charged him with. He is excited about God and shared a video that you personally disagree with, i.e. hate, and your hatred of this brother was spewn on the internet for all to see.

 

[John of Japan]

You're all wrong. And you insulted and slandered a brother in Christ because you don't like what he shared, and he has good intentions, too. You need to repent and make public apology for what you did to a brother whom Jesus died for.

I did not slander him. I said nothing about his personal character, and I said nothing false about him. To say I slandered him is a false accusation, and that is also forbidden by the Decalogue: "Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour."

I believe I've earned the right to criticize any evangelistic effort when the Lord leads me. (And that is what did, not slander.) I have preached the Word for over 50 years, 33 of them as a missionary to Japan. I have taught young people how to win souls in 3 different Bible institutions, two in Japan and now here in the US. I've written books on soul winning in 1two languages. I've earned the right to speak for God.

If the OP writer is a humble and good man, as I hope he is (and I did not say he is not), he will dialogue with me (instead of you).

Taking the Lord's Name in vain is not anything close to what you just stated. It's not "speaking" the Lord's name vainly, but TAKING it in vain.

To take the Lord's Name in vain is to take advantage of what God does for you by using His Name, and instead of staying committed to Him out of love, honor, and gratefulness, you go back to sinning which means the person has taken up God vainly. Or you went through the motions of repentance, but it was not genuine. Here are several biblical examples. Jesus said:

This people honors me with their lips,
but their heart is far from me;
in vain do they worship me,
teaching as doctrines the commandments of men. (Matthew 15:8-9)

Biblical definitions of the word in use:

• Jeremiah 2:30: “In vain have I struck your children; they took no correction.”
• Jeremiah 4:30: “In vain you beautify yourself. Your lovers despise you.”
• Jeremiah 6:29: “In vain the refining goes on, for the wicked are not removed.”
• Jeremiah 46:11: “In vain you have used many medicines; there is no healing for you.”
• Malachi 3:14: “You have said, ‘It is vain to serve God. What is the profit of our keeping his charge?’”

When the heart is emptied of affections for God, and words are emptied of the truth of God, all thoughts, all words, all emotions, and all actions are empty, pointless, futile, in vain. Therefore, to take the name of God in vain is to take up some expression of God’s reality into our thoughts or emotions or words or actions when the truth of God is not in them, and true affections for God are missing.

Speaking God's name vainly, callously, or irreverently, is sinful, and David did not do that either, but that's not what the 3rd commandment of the 10 is meaning.

You are wrong. I gave the correct meaning. The Hebrew word for "vain" in the Decalogue is lassaw, and the BDB lexicon gives the meanings:
"1) emptiness, vanity, falsehood
1a) emptiness, nothingness, vanity
1b) emptiness of speech, lying
1c) worthlessness (of conduct)"

"To 'take up' (nissa) the name of the Lord on one's lips 'in vain' (lassaw) meant to 'misuse' it, i.e., to use it for no purpose (note Jeremiah's adverbial use of this phrase where it precedes the verb: Jer. 2:30; 4:30; 6:29;8:15; 46:11." (Walter Kaiser, Jr., "Exodus" in The Expositor's Bible Commentary, vol. 2, p. 423). This, by a noted scholar, is just what I said.

David Darling did not sin, especially the sin you charged him with. He is excited about God and shared a video that you personally disagree with, i.e. hate, and your hatred of this brother was spewn on the internet for all to see.

This is a false accusation. Disagreement is not hate. I do not hate anyone, and I did not show hate to David Darling. I rebuked him. In the Bible, a rebuke is a form of love.

Prov. 9:8, "Reprove not a scorner, lest he hate thee: rebuke a wise man, and he will love thee."

Prov. 27:5, "Open rebuke is better than secret love."

 

[just-want-peace]

Is it possible that “SOMEONE” has been educated beyond his intelligence????

 

[John of Japan]

Just to be sure I was not misjudging, I just went back through the whole video, looking for the Gospel of Christ as taught in 1 Cor 15: Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, was buried (proof of His death), and rose again according to the Scriptures, then was seen of many witnesses (proof of His resurrection).

Nowhere in this video do we learn that Christ died for our sins--nowhere!! Nowhere do we hear that He rose from the dead--Nowhere!! Instead, the "preacher" emphasizes the filling of the Holy Spirit, speaking in tongues, and water baptism--none of which are part of the Gospel of Jesus Christ. He does speak a little about repentance, without explanation or application.

So what we have here is baptismal regeneration--the belief that getting baptized is necessary for salvation. At 8:49 the "preacher says, "On your own faith to bury that old life to get rid of that, so we baptize you to Jesus Christ." At 3:14—“After repentance you need baptism, there is so much power in the baptism and I don’t know where you stand there."

Folks, if you tell people to get baptized and that will fix their problems and get their sins forgiven, and never tell them how Christ died for their sins, you are proclaiming a false Gospel!

 

[John of Japan]

The "preacher" in the video is Torben Søndergaard, apparently from Denmark. He has some kind of ministry called "The Last Reformation." Other than that, I'm sure you can google him if you wish to know more. As for me, this video makes it plain that he is a Charismatic in theology, teaching baptismal regeneration, meaningless tongues, and an unbiblical healing method, much like the Japanese man who prayed to cast out of me the "demon of the cold." (a poor lamb stolen from my ministry in Japan by the Charismatics, along with his brother, who I had baptized).

Having seen three times in my ministry in Japan, and having been to Africa and seen the terrible spiritual harm the Charismatics can do, and having diligently studied their heresies ("Latter Rain," "manifest sons of God," health and wealth gospel, tongues, healing, etc., etc.), I want to warn everyone who reads this thread. Be careful! "Try the spirits," because not all are of God (1 John 4:1).