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God Swears to the Palestinian (Land) Covenant with Israel

JD731

Well-Known Member
Deuteronomy 29:1
These are the words of the covenant, which the Lord commanded Moses to make with the children of Israel in the land of Moab, beside the covenant which he made with them in Horeb. (The Mosaic Covenant)

Like all the unconditional covenants God made with Israel he swore to them with an oath making him obligated to keep his promise to them in the covenant. This promise is in spite of the fact they will fail to obey him and are sure to break the covenant with God and endure the curse that he outlined in chapter 29 ((we know from history this is true) he has promised them that he will yet bring them into the land and give them his Spirit and save them nationally. God knew they would fail simply because there is no power in the flesh and his Law was given them to convince them how much they need him.

One should try to remember that Israel is collectively the son of God at this time, physical, without the Spirit, in need of the new birth.

Here is what he swore:

Deuteronomy 29:12
That thou shouldest enter into covenant with the Lord thy God, and into his oath, which the Lord thy God maketh with thee this day:

This is made at the Jordan River as they were ready to cross over into the promised land. They must keep the law of Moses to stay there. History tells us that God kept the negative part of his oath, which is they were purged out of the land for disobedience but he has not yet kept the blessings of the covenant, which is being brought back to the land with a circumcised heart. This is yet future and will happen as sure as there is a God in heaven. When the Holy Spirit of God is in each and every one of them and the power to keep the law then is God's, there will be no possibility of sin.

Why can't we all agree with God about this because it is what he says to Israel?

Deut 30:1 And it shall come to pass, when all these things are come upon thee, the blessing and the curse, which I have set before thee, and thou shalt call them to mind among all the nations, whither the Lord thy God hath driven thee,
2 And shalt return unto the Lord thy God, and shalt obey his voice according to all that I command thee this day, thou and thy children, with all thine heart, and with all thy soul;
3 That then the Lord thy God will turn thy captivity, and have compassion upon thee, and will return and gather thee from all the nations, whither the Lord thy God hath scattered thee.
4 If any of thine be driven out unto the outmost parts of heaven, from thence will the Lord thy God gather thee, and from thence will he fetch thee:
5 And the Lord thy God will bring thee into the land which thy fathers possessed, and thou shalt possess it; and he will do thee good, and multiply thee above thy fathers.

6 And the Lord thy God will circumcise thine heart, and the heart of thy seed, to love the Lord thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, that thou mayest live.
7 And the Lord thy God will put all these curses upon thine enemies, and on them that hate thee, which persecuted thee.
8 And thou shalt return and obey the voice of the Lord, and do all his commandments which I command thee this day.
9 And the Lord thy God will make thee plenteous in every work of thine hand, in the fruit of thy body, and in the fruit of thy cattle, and in the fruit of thy land, for good: for the Lord will again rejoice over thee for good, as he rejoiced over thy fathers:

One should read Deut 29 - 32 to prepare for this op.
 

JD731

Well-Known Member
There are 4 unconditional covenants made with Abraham and his family, Israel. God swears to three of them.

1) the Abrahamic Covenant
2) The Palestinian Covenant
3) The Davidic Covenant
4) The New Covenant

Ps 105:9 Which covenant he made with Abraham, and his oath unto Isaac;
Ps 105:10 And confirmed the same unto Jacob for a law, and to Israel for an everlasting covenant:
Hebrews 6:13 For when God made promise to Abraham, because he could swear by no greater, he sware by himself,

The Palestinian covenant where he promised with an oath that he would gather them back to the land with a circumcised heart, which meant they would have his Spirit in them and would every one be cleansed and saved.

The Davidic covenant that was made with David in 2 Samuel 7. Here is some of what David said after being told about it by the prophet, Nathan.

2 Sam 7:23 And what one nation in the earth [is] like thy people, [even] like Israel, whom God went to redeem for a people to himself, and to make him a name, and to do for you great things and terrible, for thy land, before thy people, which thou redeemedst to thee from Egypt, [from] the nations and their gods?
24 For thou hast confirmed to thyself thy people Israel [to be] a people unto thee for ever: and thou, LORD, art become their God.
25 And now, O LORD God, the word that thou hast spoken concerning thy servant, and concerning his house, establish [it] for ever, and do as thou hast said.
26 And let thy name be magnified for ever, saying, The LORD of hosts [is] the God over Israel: and let the house of thy servant David be established before thee.
27 For thou, O LORD of hosts, God of Israel, hast revealed to thy servant, saying, I will build thee an house: therefore hath thy servant found in his heart to pray this prayer unto thee.
28 And now, O Lord GOD, thou [art] that God, and thy words be true, and thou hast promised this goodness unto thy servant:
29 Therefore now let it please thee to bless the house of thy servant, that it may continue for ever before thee: for thou, O Lord GOD, hast spoken [it]: and with thy blessing let the house of thy servant be blessed for ever.

All of Psa 89 is about the Davidic Covenant. Here is an excerpt from that Psalm;

20 I have found David my servant; with my holy oil have I anointed him:
21 With whom my hand shall be established: mine arm also shall strengthen him.
22 The enemy shall not exact upon him; nor the son of wickedness afflict him.
23 And I will beat down his foes before his face, and plague them that hate him.
24 But my faithfulness and my mercy [shall be] with him: and in my name shall his horn be exalted.
25 I will set his hand also in the sea, and his right hand in the rivers.
26 He shall cry unto me, Thou [art] my father, my God, and the rock of my salvation.
27 Also I will make him [my] firstborn, higher than the kings of the earth.
28 My mercy will I keep for him for evermore, and my covenant shall stand fast with him.
29 His seed also will I make [to endure] for ever, and his throne as the days of heaven.
30 If his children forsake my law, and walk not in my judgments;
31 If they break my statutes, and keep not my commandments;
32 Then will I visit their transgression with the rod, and their iniquity with stripes.
33 Nevertheless my lovingkindness will I not utterly take from him, nor suffer my faithfulness to fail.
34 My covenant will I not break, nor alter the thing that is gone out of my lips.
35 Once have I sworn by my holiness that I will not lie unto David.
36 His seed shall endure for ever, and his throne as the sun before me.
37 It shall be established for ever as the moon, and [as] a faithful witness in heaven. Selah.

James, the apostle, will refer to V 38 in Acts 15 during the Jerusalem conference among the apostles to determine the gentiles, (who were being brought into the fellowship of the church) responsibility to the Jewish law.

Here is Psa 89:38
38 But thou hast cast off and abhorred, thou hast been wroth with thine anointed.
39 Thou hast made void the covenant of thy servant: thou hast profaned his crown by casting it to the ground.

Acts 15:11 But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we(Jews) shall be saved, even as they (gentiles).(not as a collective one as it will be when the tabernacle of David that is fallen down during this age while the church is being built with gentiles but one by one through the gospel of Christ)



12 Then all the multitude kept silence, and gave audience to Barnabas and Paul, declaring what miracles and wonders God had wrought among the Gentiles by them.
13 And after they had held their peace, James answered, saying, Men [and] brethren, hearken unto me:
14 Simeon hath declared how God at the first did visit the Gentiles (in Acts 10), to take out of them a people for his name.
15 And to this agree the words of the prophets; as it is written,
16 After this (that is after this visitation of the gentiles, building the church) I will return, and will build again the tabernacle of David, which is fallen down; and I will build again the ruins thereof, and I will set it up:
17 That the residue (those who are left alive after the great tribulation) of men might seek after the Lord, and all the Gentiles, upon whom my name is called, saith the Lord, who doeth all these things.
18 Known unto God are all his works from the beginning of the world.
19 Wherefore my sentence is, that we trouble not them, which from among the Gentiles are turned to God:
20 But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and [from] fornication, and [from] things strangled, and [from] blood.
21 For Moses of old time hath in every city them that preach him, being read in the synagogues every sabbath day.

There is a real problem if we find out these covenant promises will go unfulfilled. Why can't we just believe it?
 

JD731

Well-Known Member
Many, if not most who post on this site do not believe the Abrahamic and Davidic Covenants are everlasting and eternal covenants with promises that deal with the land given to these chosen people of God and a throne on which their Messiah will rule as King of kings and Lord of lords. So I am wondering what people who resist this teaching thinks when they read a passage like I am going to quote below.

Jer 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day [that] I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:
33 But this [shall be] the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.
35 Thus saith the LORD, which giveth the sun for a light by day, [and] the ordinances of the moon and of the stars for a light by night, which divideth the sea when the waves thereof roar; The LORD of hosts [is] his name:
36 If those ordinances depart from before me, saith the LORD, [then] the seed of Israel also shall cease from being a nation before me for ever.
37 Thus saith the LORD; If heaven above can be measured, and the foundations of the earth searched out beneath, I will also cast off all the seed of Israel for all that they have done, saith the LORD.

Of course God is saying that Israel will not cease being a nation before him forever. He is speaking here about a new covenant he will make with these people that at the time of the prophecy was about 600 years before the making of that covenant with them. It has been two thousand years in the past for us.
 
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