God the Father

[Joloiet]

God is the origin of all life.
In fact, God is life.
God has always existed.

Therefore life has always existed
because God is the origin of life.

God did not create Himself.
Therefore God did not create life.

It always existed.
Because God always existed.

God is a Spirit.
John 4-24 :God is a Spirit:
The Spirit of Life.

God did not create Himself.
Therefore God hence the Spirit of Life
has always existed.

Therefore God is the origin of all life.

Note*** There are no dead spirits.
God did not make Himself come alive.

Is God the Father of all spirits?

 

[Baptist Believer]

God is the origin of all life.

Yes.

In fact, God is life.

Not quite. God is God. God lives, but not in the same way that everything else lives. All life is dependent upon God.

God has always existed.

Yes.

Therefore life has always existed
because God is the origin of life.

Life - like every animate thing other than God possesses - has not always existed.

God did not create Himself.

Yes.

Therefore God did not create life.

No. You are confusing the nature of what has been created with the One Who created it. God has created and sustains all life.

It always existed.
Because God always existed.

False conclusion based on faulty premises.

God is a Spirit.
John 4-24 :God is a Spirit:

That's the way the King James translates it, but it is not a great translation. The better translations read, "God is Spirit."

God is not like the other 'spirits' that live.

The Spirit of Life.

False conclusion based on faulty and unsupported premises.

God did not create Himself.

Yes, God was not created.

Therefore God hence the Spirit of Life
has always existed.

If you remove "the Spirit of Life" from your statement, you're okay. God has always existed.

Therefore God is the origin of all life.

Yes, but you didn't get this from what has come before.

Note*** There are no dead spirits.

I don't know what you mean by this: That (1) no spirits have ever died or ceased to exist? or (2) that, by definition, all spirits are alive? or that (3) all spirits are immortal?

God did not make Himself come alive.

There was not a time where there was no God. The concern about "mak[ing] Himself come alive" does not align with Christian teaching on the subject.

Is God the Father of all spirits?

Again, I don't know what you mean by your words.

Certainly God has given life to all spirits (whatever you mean by that), but God's character is not necessarily reflected in all spirits and they do not all have His authority or blessing.

What is the point of this exercise?

 

[Joloiet]

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God did not create Himself.

For there is no beginning or ending to God.

Therefore life has no beginning or ending.

Therefore it was never created.

God did not create life.

He reproduced it.

He did however create the body or bodies
that contain life.

 

[Baptist Believer]

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God did not create Himself.

God was not created, God is.

For there is no beginning or ending to God.

In terms of existence, yes. In other senses, God is as "big" as He wants to be. Material terms do not apply since God is Spirit.

Therefore life has no beginning or ending.

You have equated God with "life" without demonstrated why that is appropriate. God lives/exists, but not in the same sense that every other living person or thing lives. You cannot reduce God down to the term "life."

Therefore it was never created.

Life in what we call "the natural world" was definitely created. That's explicit Christian teaching.

God did not create life.

False.

He reproduced it.

There is a sense in which He reproduced Himself when He created humankind in His own image, but that's not what you appear to be talking about.

He did however create the body or bodies
that contain life.

If you remove the word "however," I'll agree with your statement.

Again, what are you trying to demonstrate? Where are you going with this?

 

[Deacon]

God is the origin of all life.
In fact, God is life.

In fact, God is spirit (John 4:24).

'Death' has spirit (1 Samuel 8:8ff).

Rob

 

[Joloiet]

In fact, God is spirit (John 4:24).

'

Rob

You left out the word " a "

God is a Spirit.

But nevertheless

We shall go with

God is Spirit.

The Spirit of Life.

 

[Joloiet]

God was not created, God is.


In terms of existence, yes. In other senses, God is as "big" as He wants to be. Material terms do not apply since God is Spirit.


You have equated God with "life" without demonstrated why that is appropriate. God lives/exists, but not in the same sense that every other living person or thing lives. You cannot reduce God down to the term "life."


Life in what we call "the natural world" was definitely created. That's explicit Christian teaching.


False.


There is a sense in which He reproduced Himself when He created humankind in His own image, but that's not what you appear to be talking about.


If you remove the word "however," I'll agree with your statement.

Again, what are you trying to demonstrate? Where are you going with this?

If you believe God was dead
and had no life then created life
then so be it.

I believe God is alive and has alway been alive.

Therefore life has always been
therefore it was never created.

God who is life and was always alive
did not create Himself
which is life.

Not only did life have no beginning it has no end.

It always was and is and is to come.

God did not create the life that was and is and is to come within Him.

It has always
been

God is the origin of all life.

Now where do you think that life came from?

it came from life.

The life of God.

God is life!

 

[Joloiet]

To all those who say God created life.

To create anything would mean that it did not exist

before it was created.

Now we all know God has always existed.

Therefore if you believe God created life then

you have to believe that there was no life till God created it.

That would mean you have to believe God had no life.

Not even in Him.

Not till He created it.

 

[Greektim]

God is the origin of all life.
In fact, God is life.
God has always existed.

Therefore life has always existed
because God is the origin of life.

God did not create Himself.
Therefore God did not create life.

It always existed.
Because God always existed.

God is a Spirit.
John 4-24 :God is a Spirit:
The Spirit of Life.

God did not create Himself.
Therefore God hence the Spirit of Life
has always existed.

Therefore God is the origin of all life.

Note*** There are no dead spirits.
God did not make Himself come alive.

Is God the Father of all spirits?

If life had an origin, then how can "it always existed"???

And saying "God is life" sounds a bit pantheistic to me.

And how do you get God is spirit to God is Spirit and then to God is The Spirit of Life? That was assumed and not very clear.

What is your goal with this thread? Seems somewhat asinine.

 

[Joloiet]

If life had an origin, then how can "it always existed"???

Because it is infinite.

 

[Joloiet]

And how do you get God is spirit to God is Spirit and then to God is The Spirit of Life? That was assumed and not very clear.

It is written ...God is a Spirit.

King James Book of John.

You pick which one is true...

A. God is a Spirit of Life.

B. God is a Spirit of death.

 

[Joloiet]

What is your goal with this thread? Seems somewhat asinine.

Then I take it this will be the last time you read it.

 

[Squire Robertsson]

The question to you remains what is your purpose for this thread?

 

[TCassidy]

You pick which one is true...

A. God is a Spirit of Life.

B. God is a Spirit of death.

Logical fallacy of the false dilemma.

Again, please state the purpose of this thread.

You claim to be a Baptist and are posting in the Baptist Only section of the forum. Therefore, by your own claim, you are a Baptist, believing the Baptist Distinctives, and are solidly grounded in Christian Orthodoxy.

Please insure that future posts in the Baptist Only section of the forum fall within the confines of the Baptist Distinctives and Christian Orthodoxy.

Thank you,
Thomas Cassidy
Baptist Board Administrator

 

[Martin Marprelate]

To all those who say God created life.

To create anything would mean that it did not exist

before it was created.

Now we all know God has always existed.

Therefore if you believe God created life then

you have to believe that there was no life till God created it.

That would mean you have to believe God had no life.

Not even in Him.

Not till He created it.

The Law of Abiogenesis (aka Pasteur's law) states that life can only come from pre-existing life.
Therefore there has to be a Life that is eternal, otherwise nothing could exist.

 

[Joloiet]

The question to you remains what is your purpose for this thread?

To debate this subject on your

BAPTIST DEBATE FORUMS

Which is within the rules of your website.

To which I have not broken nary a 1.

 

[Joloiet]

Please insure that future posts in the Baptist Only section of the forum fall within the confines of the Baptist Distinctives and Christian Orthodoxy.

Thank you,
Thomas Cassidy
Baptist Board Administrator

Please present to me the rule that states whatever I post here to debate has to
fall within the your interpretation of the confines of the Baptist Distinctives and Christian Orthodoxy. Where is that stated on this forum for me to read?

 

[Joloiet]

The Law of Abiogenesis (aka Pasteur's law) states that life can only come from pre-existing life.
Therefore there has to be a Life that is eternal, otherwise nothing could exist.

Therefore you believe everything I have stated.

 

[Joloiet]

Logical fallacy of the false dilemma.

Again, please state the purpose of this thread.

You claim to be a Baptist and are posting in the Baptist Only section of the forum. Therefore, by your own claim, you are a Baptist, believing the Baptist Distinctives, and are solidly grounded in Christian Orthodoxy.

Please insure that future posts in the Baptist Only section of the forum fall within the confines of the Baptist Distinctives and Christian Orthodoxy.

Thank you,
Thomas Cassidy
Baptist Board Administrator

Please cut and paste anything I have posted that
you do not believe for me or that is not within the
confines of the Baptist Distinctives and Christian Orthodoxy.

Thank you.

 

[InTheLight]

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