Jesus is One of 3 Persons of the Godhead
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God the Son is unBiblical Tritheism.
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Ascetic X
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Persons and people mean the same thing. So why do theologians shy away from saying that God is 3 people?
Nobody says, “I threw a party, but only 4 persons showed up.” They say “only 4 people.”
Prosopon (πρόσωπον), translated “person”, is an Ancient Greek term meaning "face," "countenance," or "mask".
It denotes the outward appearance, presence, or self-manifestation of an individual (hypostasis). Historically, it referred to theater masks used to reveal a character, and it is crucial in theology for describing the personhood of the Trinity.
The term originates from pros ("toward" or "near") and ops ("eye" or "face"), literally meaning "about the eyes" or "that which is presented to the eyes".
Apologetics 315
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Though retaining the various meanings of non-Christian Greek, the term prosōpon at first became a technical term in trinitarian theology, then in Christology. The specific trinitarian use, witnessed to for the first time by the treatise C. Noetum (7; 14) and indirectly by Tertullian (Prax.), was explained primarily by three factors: by the scriptural use of prosōpon, esp. 2 Cor 4:6: “the glory of God in the face of Christ,” a meaning that remained important in all patristic literature (Lampe, 1186); by the “prosopic” exegesis prepared by *Philo, in which, against the Jews and monarchians, a distinction was made between the divine persons and their names (see Justin, 1 Apol. 36,1–2); by the method of the Stoics in opposing prosōpon, as individuality, to the generic (see Iren., Haer. III, 11,9).
The term prosōpon, which was very rare in Eastern Christian authors writing before the 4th c., was initially found, as a trinitarian term, primarily in texts that rebuked *Sabellians for speaking of a prosōpon, i.e., one sole divine reality, or to speak of three prosōpa, but in a transitory sense (Lampe, 1187).
Subsequently, even the anti-Sabellians used the word prosopōn, by identifying it more or less with hypostasis (Lampe, 1187–1188)—as done by the synodic Epistle of the Council of *Constantinople of 381 (CoeD, 24). *Gregory of Nazianzus had already defended this synonymous use of the terms hypostasis and prosopōn (Or. 21,35: SC 270, 186; see Hammerstaedt, 1022).In the 2nd half of the 4th c., prosopōn was used also as a key term in Christology, initially under the form of a denial of the two persons in Christ, then as an affirmation of one sole person (Lampe, 1188ff.).
Two particular details should be emphasized: the expression “one person” was often characterized by an exegetical nuance, referring to the sole subject of the biblical and divine and human attributes in Jesus Christ; also relevant is Nestorius’s quite complicated theory, which distinguished two natural prosōpa from the prosōpon of the union (Grillmeier, Jesus, 707–726; Lampe, 1188–1189).
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Nobody says, “I threw a party, but only 4 persons showed up.” They say “only 4 people.”
Prosopon (πρόσωπον), translated “person”, is an Ancient Greek term meaning "face," "countenance," or "mask".
It denotes the outward appearance, presence, or self-manifestation of an individual (hypostasis). Historically, it referred to theater masks used to reveal a character, and it is crucial in theology for describing the personhood of the Trinity.
The term originates from pros ("toward" or "near") and ops ("eye" or "face"), literally meaning "about the eyes" or "that which is presented to the eyes".
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Terminology Tuesday: PROSOPON
PROSOPON. Though retaining the various meanings of non-Christian Greek, the term prosōpon at first became a technical term in trinitarian theology, then in Christology. The specific trinitarian use, w...
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Though retaining the various meanings of non-Christian Greek, the term prosōpon at first became a technical term in trinitarian theology, then in Christology. The specific trinitarian use, witnessed to for the first time by the treatise C. Noetum (7; 14) and indirectly by Tertullian (Prax.), was explained primarily by three factors: by the scriptural use of prosōpon, esp. 2 Cor 4:6: “the glory of God in the face of Christ,” a meaning that remained important in all patristic literature (Lampe, 1186); by the “prosopic” exegesis prepared by *Philo, in which, against the Jews and monarchians, a distinction was made between the divine persons and their names (see Justin, 1 Apol. 36,1–2); by the method of the Stoics in opposing prosōpon, as individuality, to the generic (see Iren., Haer. III, 11,9).
The term prosōpon, which was very rare in Eastern Christian authors writing before the 4th c., was initially found, as a trinitarian term, primarily in texts that rebuked *Sabellians for speaking of a prosōpon, i.e., one sole divine reality, or to speak of three prosōpa, but in a transitory sense (Lampe, 1187).
Subsequently, even the anti-Sabellians used the word prosopōn, by identifying it more or less with hypostasis (Lampe, 1187–1188)—as done by the synodic Epistle of the Council of *Constantinople of 381 (CoeD, 24). *Gregory of Nazianzus had already defended this synonymous use of the terms hypostasis and prosopōn (Or. 21,35: SC 270, 186; see Hammerstaedt, 1022).In the 2nd half of the 4th c., prosopōn was used also as a key term in Christology, initially under the form of a denial of the two persons in Christ, then as an affirmation of one sole person (Lampe, 1188ff.).
Two particular details should be emphasized: the expression “one person” was often characterized by an exegetical nuance, referring to the sole subject of the biblical and divine and human attributes in Jesus Christ; also relevant is Nestorius’s quite complicated theory, which distinguished two natural prosōpa from the prosōpon of the union (Grillmeier, Jesus, 707–726; Lampe, 1188–1189).
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37818
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Who are the Trinity. And who are the One LORD God.
37818
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1 Timothy 2:5, . . . the man Christ Jesus . . . .
who is also very God
Its is one God, who are 3 eternal Persons
37818
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Backwards.
Deuteronomy 6:4, . . . The LORD our God is one LORD . . . .
Ascetic X
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Yes, one God in 3 persons.
“Elohim” is one of the most frequently used names for God in the Hebrew Bible, appearing over 2,500 times. Its first appearance is in the very first verse of the Bible: “In the beginning, God (Elohim) created the heavens and the earth” (Genesis 1:1). Despite being a plural noun, it is almost always used with singular verbs when referring to the God of Israel, which indicates a unique plurality-in-unity.
In the ancient Near Eastern context, the term “elohim” could refer to gods in general or even to powerful beings like angels. However, in the context of Genesis, “Elohim” is unmistakably used to describe the one true God, the Creator of all. The plural form of the word, combined with its singular usage, suggests a mystery in the nature of God—a mystery that Christian theology later understands as the Trinity.
37818
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No. Three distinct Persons are the One God. God is One LORD God.
Isaiah 43:10-11.
Alan Dale Gross
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We do want to show that we abide in the Doctrine of Christ, for the following reason;
So, the Triune Godhead is Worthy of our devotion to commit to study and be sure we have the Trinity of Divine Persons, with Their similarities in common and the unique differences in their Persons distinguished, in a Pleasing manner to Him.
So, the Triune Godhead is Worthy of our devotion to commit to study and be sure we have the Trinity of Divine Persons, with Their similarities in common and the unique differences in their Persons distinguished, in a Pleasing manner to Him.
Reference from: A Body of Doctrinal & Practical Divinity by John Gill
DOCTRINAL DIVINITY ~ BOOK I.
OF GOD, HIS WORD, NAMES, NATURE, PERFECTIONS, AND PERSONS
DOCTRINAL DIVINITY ~ BOOK I.
OF GOD, HIS WORD, NAMES, NATURE, PERFECTIONS, AND PERSONS
| Chapter 26: Of the Unity of God |
| Chapter 27: Of a Plurality in the Godhead |
| Chapter 28: Of the Personal Relations in Deity |
| Chapter 29: Of the Distinct Personality and Deity of the Father |
| Chapter 30: Of the Distinct Personality and Deity of the Son |
| Chapter 31: Of the Distinct Personality and Deity of the Holy Spirit |
So do you see it as 3 gods then?
Each Person is Yahweh, yet still but One Yahweh
37818
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Absolutely not 3 gods.
The point of this thread, is against Tritheism.