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Could Jesus have eaten the paschal lamb at the correct time, being he was the paschal lamb and would have been dead, at the time it should have been eaten?
Zuno Yazh
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Jesus Christ wasn't a Christian. He was a Jew born under the jurisdiction of the covenant that Yhvh's people agreed upon with God as per Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, and Deuteronomy.
● Gal 4:4 . . God sent His son; born of a woman, born under law
He had to eat a lamb at Passover because it's curse-worthy for Jews to deliberately miss the Passover seeing as how it's a covenanted feast.
● Deut 27:26 . . Cursed be he who will not uphold the terms of this Law and observe them.
And besides; human sacrifice is illegal under the terms and conditions of the covenant; i.e. it is illegal to substitute Jesus for the lamb that the covenant requires.
● Num 9:12 . .They shall offer it in strict accord with the law of the Passover sacrifice.
The law of the Passover sacrifice is located in the twelfth chapter of Exodus.
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Jesus Christ wasn't a Christian. He was a Jew born under the jurisdiction of the covenant that Yhvh's people agreed upon with God as per Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, and Deuteronomy.
● Gal 4:4 . . God sent His son; born of a woman, born under law
He had to eat a lamb at Passover because it's curse-worthy for Jews to deliberately miss the Passover seeing as how it's a covenanted feast.
● Deut 27:26 . . Cursed be he who will not uphold the terms of this Law and observe them.
And besides; human sacrifice is illegal under the terms and conditions of the covenant; i.e. it is illegal to substitute Jesus for the lamb that the covenant requires.
● Num 9:12 . .They shall offer it in strict accord with the law of the Passover sacrifice.
The law of the Passover sacrifice is located in the twelfth chapter of Exodus.
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Zuno Yazh
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● Matt 17:22-23 . . Jesus said unto them: The Son of man shall be betrayed into the hands of men: and they shall kill him, and the third day he shall be raised again.
● Mark 9:31 . . He taught his disciples, and said unto them: The Son of man is delivered into the hands of men, and they shall kill him; and after that he is killed, he shall rise the third day.
● Luke 24:21-23 . .We trusted that it had been he which should have redeemed Israel: and beside all this, today is the third day since these things were done. Yea, and certain women also of our company made us astonished, which were early at the sepulcher; and when they found not his body, they came, saying, that they had also seen a vision of angels, which said that he was alive.
● Luke 24:46 . . He said unto them: Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day
● Acts 10:40 . . God raised him up the third day
● 1Cor 15:4 . . he rose again the third day
It would take a pretty clever amalgam of sophistry and double speak to make those passages say that Christ rose from the dead on any other day but the third.
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● Matt 17:22-23 . . Jesus said unto them: The Son of man shall be betrayed into the hands of men: and they shall kill him, and the third day he shall be raised again.
● Mark 9:31 . . He taught his disciples, and said unto them: The Son of man is delivered into the hands of men, and they shall kill him; and after that he is killed, he shall rise the third day.
● Luke 24:21-23 . .We trusted that it had been he which should have redeemed Israel: and beside all this, today is the third day since these things were done. Yea, and certain women also of our company made us astonished, which were early at the sepulcher; and when they found not his body, they came, saying, that they had also seen a vision of angels, which said that he was alive.
● Luke 24:46 . . He said unto them: Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day
● Acts 10:40 . . God raised him up the third day
● 1Cor 15:4 . . he rose again the third day
It would take a pretty clever amalgam of sophistry and double speak to make those passages say that Christ rose from the dead on any other day but the third.
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OF COURSE NOT! What an absurd notion!
Passover is to commemorate God's removal of the Israeli people from Egypt by His power.
Eating the paschal lamb at any other time but when GOD said to eat it would be a sin, and, of course, Jesus never sinned.
And remember, lambs were sacrificed for sin offerings as well. Jesus was the Supreme, once-for-all, ULTIMATE SIN OFFERING! That had nothing to do with passover.
And we're getting away from Good Friday. Speaking only for myself, I declare it's not a real holiday, but is a MAN-MADE one, which I don't observe. But this year, I shall offer a special prayer of thanx to Jesus on Saturday, March 31, as that is the actual anniversary of His death. The anniversary of His resurrection this year will be Tuesday, Apr. 3, NOT Sunday, Apr. 1.
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Uh, count again.
Wed sundown to Thursday sundown - 1 day.
Thursday sundown to Friday sundown - 2 days.
Friday sundown to Saturday sundown - 3 days.
Arose after sundown making it Sunday the 1st day of the week.
When the women arrived before sunup Sunday He was already gone from the tomb.
Zuno Yazh
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There's quite a bit of confusion going around related to the time of the women's arrival at the cemetery; for example Matt 28:1
"In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulcher."
The Greek word translated "came" is ambiguous. It can not only mean came, but also went, i.e. it can indicate travel as well as arrival and/or coming as well as going. Here's the same verse from another translation.
"After the Sabbath, at dawn on the first day of the week, Mary Magdalene and the other Mary went to look at the tomb."
Seeing as how the preponderance of evidence indicates that Jesus' dead body revived on the third day rather than during the third night, i.e. when the sun was up rather than when the sun was not up, then it's safe to conclude, in this case at least, that "went" is the appropriate translation of the Greek word erchomai, i.e. the women left their homes at first light; by the time they met together and journeyed to the cemetery, the sun was fully up and Jesus was gone..
You people out there who persist in working with 24-hour days instead of distinct days and nights as per John 11:9-10 are never, ever, going to get this right.
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There's quite a bit of confusion going around related to the time of the women's arrival at the cemetery; for example Matt 28:1
"In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulcher."
The Greek word translated "came" is ambiguous. It can not only mean came, but also went, i.e. it can indicate travel as well as arrival and/or coming as well as going. Here's the same verse from another translation.
"After the Sabbath, at dawn on the first day of the week, Mary Magdalene and the other Mary went to look at the tomb."
Seeing as how the preponderance of evidence indicates that Jesus' dead body revived on the third day rather than during the third night, i.e. when the sun was up rather than when the sun was not up, then it's safe to conclude, in this case at least, that "went" is the appropriate translation of the Greek word erchomai, i.e. the women left their homes at first light; by the time they met together and journeyed to the cemetery, the sun was fully up and Jesus was gone..
You people out there who persist in working with 24-hour days instead of distinct days and nights as per John 11:9-10 are never, ever, going to get this right.
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This was Sunday not yet complete, so three days, three nights, had been completed three and counting a partial fourth
Until you understand that the word "day" means a 24 hour period of time you will never get this right.
Principle of first mention. Gen 1:5 And the evening (dark) and the morning (light) were the first day.
The principle of shareability demands the same understanding.
This is covered in First Year Hermeneutics 101.
atpollard
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Is Sunday (late morning, early afternoon) “the third day” since a Wednesday trial and crucifixion (these things)?
Read Luke 24 and compare it to your timeline. There is a problem you are ignoring as you focus like a laser on the phrase “and three nights”.
Saturday night, Friday night Thursday night had passed.
Saturday Friday Thursday , day had passed
This verse:?
Luk 24:19
And he said to them, 'What things?' And they said to him, 'The things about Jesus of Nazareth, who became a man -- a prophet -- powerful in deed and word, before God and all the people,
Luk 24:20how also the chief priests and our rulers did deliver him up to a judgment of death, and crucified him;
Luk 24:21
and we were hoping that he it is who is about to redeem Israel, and also with all these things, this third day is passing to-day, since these things happened.
Luk 24:17¶
and he said unto them, 'What are these words that ye exchange with one another, walking, and ye are sad?'
Jesus ask the reason for the sadness, They did not know of the resurrection. Was it the third day since the since crucifixion or had three days past? or three days since they became sad?
atpollard
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Luk 24:20how also the chief priests and our rulers did deliver him up to a judgment of death, and crucified him;
Luk 24:21
and we were hoping that he it is who is about to redeem Israel, and also with all these things, this third day is passing to-day, since these things happened.
Trial and crucifixion Wedsday afternoon
Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Sunday night had passed.
Thursday, Friday, Saturday day had passed.
Part of Wedsday (day) had passed.
Some to most of Sunday (day) had passed.
Sunday = “this third day is passing to-day” since “these things” (the chief priests and our rulers did deliver him up to a judgment of death, and crucified him).
The people being sad do not fit as “these things”.
Zuno Yazh
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● Gen 1:4 . . God divided the light from the darkness.
● Gen 1:5 . . And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night.
If we permit those two passages to define the properties of day and night, then it becomes readily apparent that creation's days had no darkness in them whatsoever other than what existed prior to the introduction of light.
● Gen 1:5 . . And there was evening, and there was morning-- the first day.
Note that passage does not say "and there was darkness and there was light-- the first day"
It isn't commonly known among Bible students that there is no specific, unambiguous Hebrew word in the Old Testament for the hours between sunrise and high noon, nor one for the hours between high noon and sundown; i.e. AM and PM.
The words morning and evening suffice for those particular hours. The hours between sundown and sunrise are always spoken of as night; never as day. When Bible students are unaware of that rather peculiar linguistic irregularity, they get thrown off by the terms evening and morning.
Now if you think about it; a strict chronology of the common understanding of evening and morning would indicate that God did all of His creating overnight; in the dark. That hardly seems appropriate to me; especially seeing as how God went to the trouble of filling the universe with light from the get-go.
As to days and nights on the Earth, the Bible says this:
● Gen 1:14-18 . . And God said: Let there be lights in the expanse of the sky to separate the day from the night, and let them serve as signs to mark seasons and days and years, and let them be lights in the expanse of the sky to give light on the earth. And it was so. God made two great lights-- the greater light to govern the day and the lesser light to govern the night. He also made the stars. God set them in the expanse of the sky to give light on the earth, to govern the day and the night, and to separate light from darkness.
Now that right there tells me that days on Earth are when the sun is up, and nights on Earth are when the sun is down; which corroborates Jesus' statement at John 11:9-10
The tragedy of it is that little kids know the properties of day and night; while it seems there's a number of Christian adults who don't. Well; I may not know the difference between a hermeneutic and a barbiturate, but I certainly know the difference between day and night.
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● Gen 1:4 . . God divided the light from the darkness.
● Gen 1:5 . . And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night.
If we permit those two passages to define the properties of day and night, then it becomes readily apparent that creation's days had no darkness in them whatsoever other than what existed prior to the introduction of light.
● Gen 1:5 . . And there was evening, and there was morning-- the first day.
Note that passage does not say "and there was darkness and there was light-- the first day"
It isn't commonly known among Bible students that there is no specific, unambiguous Hebrew word in the Old Testament for the hours between sunrise and high noon, nor one for the hours between high noon and sundown; i.e. AM and PM.
The words morning and evening suffice for those particular hours. The hours between sundown and sunrise are always spoken of as night; never as day. When Bible students are unaware of that rather peculiar linguistic irregularity, they get thrown off by the terms evening and morning.
Now if you think about it; a strict chronology of the common understanding of evening and morning would indicate that God did all of His creating overnight; in the dark. That hardly seems appropriate to me; especially seeing as how God went to the trouble of filling the universe with light from the get-go.
As to days and nights on the Earth, the Bible says this:
● Gen 1:14-18 . . And God said: Let there be lights in the expanse of the sky to separate the day from the night, and let them serve as signs to mark seasons and days and years, and let them be lights in the expanse of the sky to give light on the earth. And it was so. God made two great lights-- the greater light to govern the day and the lesser light to govern the night. He also made the stars. God set them in the expanse of the sky to give light on the earth, to govern the day and the night, and to separate light from darkness.
Now that right there tells me that days on Earth are when the sun is up, and nights on Earth are when the sun is down; which corroborates Jesus' statement at John 11:9-10
The tragedy of it is that little kids know the properties of day and night; while it seems there's a number of Christian adults who don't. Well; I may not know the difference between a hermeneutic and a barbiturate, but I certainly know the difference between day and night.
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