Good Idea to Nuke Iran?

[Eliyahu]

It is a matter of timing, how much God would allow us to take the action before His coming, while we expect the horrible wipe out of the disobedient, wicked people out of the whole world by God when He comes.
God want us to do something which can be possible by us, even before His coming.

At this stage, the precise pin-point bombing attack can hardly be blamed, even though the large scale may look over-active. Yes, even to that there will be vehement reaction, I expect, but we should not be coward to surrender to the deceptive and unjust. If the reaction is big, then the larger scale action will be inevitable.

 

[Daisy]

Do you think that not attacking is the same as surrendering?

 

[Phillip]

No, Daisy, I do not. But, are we being stupid for not taking out a real and growing threat to stability in the middle east including that of Israel?

 

[Magnetic Poles]

I imagine Israel won't sit idly by if Iran becomes a viable threat to them. They are already a nuclear power. I would not be surprised to see them act as a US surrogate, although the Arab world would see the connection, real or not, in any Israeli attack.

 

[LadyEagle]

Originally posted by Daisy:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by LadyEagle:
Nuking Mecca isn't a far fetched idea. The effect would be devastating on all those who want to send us all back to the stone age under the banner of allah akbar, because they are very, very superstitious. We wouldn't even have to use nukes, just a daisy cutter on the black rock idol there. The ripple effect throughout the arab world, i.e., mullahs and imams, would drive them out of business from having such captive audiences every Friday. Terrorism based on the black rock would be out of business.

Well, that would sure put an end to civil wars and local disputes as all of the Moslem world, as well as all who need their oil, would unite against us. Far from driving them out of business, it would drive the liberal & moderate Moslems to join the extremists.

Do you think we'd have enough oil to get by after we get cut off? Would Chavez be our new best friend?

That would be a lot worst than the Taliban blowing up the Buddhas because of all the deaths of the innocents and this being the actual center of their worship....We would be the world's pariah. </font>[/QUOTE]Nope, don't believe it would unite the "liberal" and "moderates" to join the extremists. In fact, it would disintegrate the foundation of their religion as they perceive it. It would show them there is no Caliphate for world domination as the extremists believe and that allah as they perceive allah to be, is not allah akbar and is not on their side, after all. They might be forced to look at how they all relate to the rest of the world instead of the rest of the world operating from a position of fear, as we have all done (in our governments) up until now.

All actions taken since 09/11 by our government and the rest of the world up until now have been based on fear. Fear of OBL. Fear of WMDs. Fear of Iranian Nukes. Fear of being politically incorrect. Fear of offending the so-called "moderates." Fear of not enough oil. FEAR, FEAR, FEAR!

 

[Daisy]

Originally posted by Phillip:
No, Daisy, I do not. But, are we being stupid for not taking out a real and growing threat to stability in the middle east including that of Israel?

No, it is not stupid to not act unilaterally; I believe we need to get Russia and China involved in containment. There are other ways besides war.

I was actually asking Eliyahu re his statement, "At this stage, the precise pin-point bombing attack can hardly be blamed, even though the large scale may look over-active. Yes, even to that there will be vehement reaction, I expect, but we should not be coward to surrender to the deceptive and unjust."

Diplomacy doesn't seem to hold much sway with idealists of the rightwing persuasion - do you think that is a fair assessment?

 

[Bro. Curtis]

Do you think it may be because it is rarely fruitful ?

 

[TheWinDork]

Not only should they nuke Iraq, But Iran, Syria, Afghanistan, pakistan and rest of them, arab nations that support terrorists. Worked for Japan didn't it? ended that country's aggression against us! Then, we should pull out of the united nations!

And while were at it, throw all of these idiot illegal immigrants out of this country. Build a 500 ft brick wall, with razor wire fence, with about 500 VOLTS on it and REALLY secure this country!

TheWinDork

 

[Magnetic Poles]

Originally posted by TheWinDork:
Not only should they nuke Iraq, But Iran, Syria, Afghanistan, pakistan and rest of them, arab nations that support terrorists. Worked for Japan didn't it? ended that country's aggression against us! Then, we should pull out of the united nations!

And while were at it, throw all of these idiot illegal immigrants out of this country. Build a 500 ft brick wall, with razor wire fence, with about 500 VOLTS on it and REALLY secure this country!

TheWinDork

SO let me get this straight... You propose killing millions of innocents to further your geopolitical views? You'd need more than a brick wall and electric fence to protect you if we as a nation did what you suggest.

 

[TheWinDork]

Originally posted by Magnetic Poles:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by TheWinDork:
Not only should they nuke Iraq, But Iran, Syria, Afghanistan, pakistan and rest of them, arab nations that support terrorists. Worked for Japan didn't it? ended that country's aggression against us! Then, we should pull out of the united nations!

And while were at it, throw all of these idiot illegal immigrants out of this country. Build a 500 ft brick wall, with razor wire fence, with about 500 VOLTS on it and REALLY secure this country!

TheWinDork

SO let me get this straight... You propose killing millions of innocents to further your geopolitical views? You'd need more than a brick wall and electric fence to protect you if we as a nation did what you suggest. </font>[/QUOTE]Like I said... It worked for Japan.

 

[Bro. Curtis]

And to Daisy, I'm also against sactions, because they only punish the poor in the affected countries. They do nothing to deter the people who make decisions.

 

[Phillip]

Ladyeagle, unless I'm misreading your posts, I have a hunch you might be surprised at the response an attack on Iran will cause. You can bomb Mecca back to the stone-age, but if you think there wouldn't be a world-wide retaliation then I think you will have a big suprise coming.

In Iraq we fought a few hundred thousand people, in Iran we will be fighting cities with millions and not only that we will be bringing the entire Muslim world down on us. Muslims belong to the world's largest religious group including many more countries than just Arabs. Indonesia, parts of China, much of Asia, Europe and the Middle East are all Muslim. We will make the entire world our enemy.

No American would be safe outside of our borders and probably not within our borders.

Remember another thing, Iranians are not Arabs, this brings a whole different culture into the equation to join the Arab populations in their hatred of America and its Israeli allies.

Just something to think about.

Now, does Iran need to be bombed? Possibly. Surgical strike to take out the reactors only. Bombing Mecca would not be a smart move from any point of view. How would you like them to bomb Jerusalem?

 

[ASLANSPAL]

Ahhh President Reagan and his eureka moment with Michal Gorbachev they actually talked it out...yes their was containment and sanctions in the past a cold containment but it finally broke to two people talking it out...but the black and white semi-fascists of the united states like the idea of bomb and let god sort it out...I think the fix is in and it is the Pentagon and not the State Department...we are void of peacemakers in this bush culture. The bush culture is void of a diplomatic corp and thinking ahead and outside the box ..so the easiest thing to do ..is to bomb. Right up bush's alley ..simple with no fuss
or hard work. Plus it allows him to wag the dog and get his numbers up before they dip in the 20's.

 

[Magnetic Poles]

WinDork, Iran is not Japan. And I worry about anyone who advocates the horrific slaughter of millions of innocents. That would be the last act of The United States of America. I believe an all out nuclear attack would provoke the world to destroy us.

 

[LadyEagle]

No American would be safe outside of our borders and probably not within our borders.

That's going to happen anyway and it's only a matter of time before your local McDonalds will no longer be safe to take your kids on Saturday morning.

If you think it's just a hand full of radicals, think again. The whole goal of islam is world domination by the sword. They are succeeding territory by territory, country by country. All good muslims believe it (in the Caliphate) and they WILL be taking over America probably in your lifetime. Recently saw a picture of Old Glory with the crescent moon in place of the stars.

Bombing the black rock idol would be more of a neutralizer than you think.

Don't forget: Islam declared war on the civilized world. It has always been so throughout history. Nothing has changed. This is the third jihad.

Doesn't matter whether Iran is Arab or Persian. Islam is the great common denominator.

 

[LadyEagle]

Anyway, we won't have to. When Israel has had enough, the Israelis will do the job.

 

[LadyEagle]

http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=49865

 

[KenH]

Originally posted by LadyEagle:
When Israel has had enough, the Israelis will do the job.

There is very little to no chance that the Israelis have the means to pull this off - the logistics are not there. This is 2006 and Iran, not 1981 and Osirak.

If Israel did somehow pull this off and no solid proof was offered that Iran was within a few weeks of attacking the United States or one of our allies with a nuclear weapon, then I would seriously consider supporting the U.S. withdrawal of all foreign aid, loans, etc. from Israel immediately.

 

[Bro. Curtis]

Would you fire a cop that shot somebody pointing a toy gun at them ?

 

[KenH]

If he had reason to know better - yes.