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GOP and Saving the Auto Industry

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targus

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KenH said:
This here closed thread about most GOP members of Congress opposing the federal government giving short-term loans to the domestic automakers:

www.baptistboard.com/showthread.php?t=55856

I am sorry, Ken, but you are incorrect. The topic of this thread is not the closed thread that you reference.

The topic of this thread is a statement that you made in that other closed thread.

Pastor Larry provided us with the statement in question - which you originally made. And I will reproduce it here for you.

"It is about why many in the GOP are opposed to saving the domestic auto industry."

If you re-read the opening post to this thread you will find that Pastor Larry is looking for either support to demonstrate that your above statement is true or a retraction of it.
 

carpro

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JustChristian said:
I believe the unions have to be broken in order for America to be competitive in the global market especially during the current crisis. The bailout deal begins this process in my opinion. I support it.

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For UAW sacrifice or surrender?
Members' wages and benefits will be slashed under federal loan deal
By Peter Whoriskey
The Washington Post
Sat., Dec. 20, 2008
URL: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/28323341/
For decades after its founding in 1935, the United Auto Workers stood as a powerful model for the American labor movement, an influential organization that historians credit with uplifting living standards for all working Americans.
But with the announcement of the federal loan deal yesterday, the union found itself being forced into concessions that some described as tantamount to surrender.

The $17.4 billion federal loan agreement does keep the domestic auto industry alive. But the terms of that loan also insist that the wages and benefits for union workers be lowered to "equal" the average of nonunion workers, specifically, those at the U.S. plants of Nissan, Toyota and Honda.
Those and other concessions would essentially erase the significant distinctions between union and nonunion auto workers, and the lack of such union worker advantages would render moot the union's fundamental purpose, some industry analysts and labor experts said.

It was the financial crisis, as well as the domestic industry's slippage against foreign automakers in the United States, that forced the union to acquiesce, albeit reluctantly, union leaders said yesterday.

The only reason they agreed is because they know Obama will overturn the deal .

The UAW owns Obama.
 

Pastor Larry

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PL is an intelligent person(he dodges and weaves too much in debates not to be)
That's almost kind of you to say ... I think ...

and knew I was referring to government involvement.
I don't think that helps, even if it is true. The GOP was willing to save the the domestic auto industry and the UAW was not willing to commit to do their part. The GOP was unwilling to save the auto industry through a particular means. It was not a blanket refusal.

Since he has never ever won a debate with me
Whatever your smoking, please pass it around. That has to be good stuff ...

he refuses to debate the real issue in this thread
I am more than willing to debate the issue with you, though I have had more important things to do today.

I am not sure what there is to debate though. This is cut and dried. You make a statement that you appear not to be able to back up. The GOP is willing to use government money to save the auto industry. They simply were not willing to do it without certain guidelines being met by all parties involved.

and instead resorts to attacking me personally.
I did no such thing. If you look back, you will see that I simply made a statement of fact about what you said, and asked for either evidence to back it up, or a retraction. So far, you have given neither. You have simply tried to avoid it.
 

KenH

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targus said:
I am sorry, Ken, but you are incorrect.

I am absolutely correct. Are you denying that PL is personally attacking me by trying to make my statement out to mean something other than what it was about - GOP elected officials opposing the government short-term loans to the domestic automakers?

Anyone who continues to misconstrue my statement either has extremely poor reading comprehension or is simply being dishonest.

1. I will not retract my statement as it is accurate if one reads the closed thread.

2. I have no need to demonstrate support as PL is not conveying accurately what I said in the closed thread.
 

KenH

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Pastor Larry said:
1) The GOP was willing to save the the domestic auto industry and the UAW was not willing to commit to do their part.

2) I did no such thing.

3) So far, you have given neither.

4) You have simply tried to avoid it.

1) That is not true. The UAW was quite willing to play ball.

2) Yes, you did.

3) Yes, I have. You continue to not speak the truth about me.

4) Yet again you have not spoken truthfully about me.
 

Bro. Curtis

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Actually, it was the right-wingers who didn't want Wall St. bailed out. More dishonest stereotyping.
 

LadyEagle

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Enough bickering. This is not debating. Debating presents a side of an issue with proof and credible links. It would seem some here would rather throw up smoke screens than have an honest debate. Closed.
 
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