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GOP moves from ‘self deport’ to ‘throw them all out’

OldRegular

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Giving money is easy. I do not defend either Liberals nor Conservative who do not and are not willing to give of money or of their time.

I am sure Conservatives give more, especially to their churches. But gifts to churches go primarily to help the church, not people in need ... IMHO.

But the fact remains if I am a leftist then I am in good company as I try to follow the example of Jesus and follow his teachings.

You talk about how much you care for the poor and needy but as far as anyone on the Board knows that is simply talk. The one thing we do know about you Crabbie is that you support the slaughter of the unborn because you admit that you support the party that celebrates the continuation of that slaughter. No one would lie about supporting that slaughter, 55 million and counting!
 

Zaac

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Crabbie, It is a proven fact that those people who are of conservative political philosophy give much more to charity than do liberals like yourself.

The following mentioned study by MIT seems to shed some more light on this. According to their study, "conservatives" gave more to religious organizations and it didn't necessarily funnel down to the poor. Whereas the "liberals" tended to give more directly to humanitarian organizations.

My Sunday column comparing private philanthropy and government social programs has revived the old debate over who is more charitably inclined, conservatives or liberals?

Skipping to the last page of the story first, the answer is neither: As two MIT political scientists determined in a 2013 paper, the inclination to give appears to have virtually no relationship to one's partisan or ideological views. There are distinctions, however, in the kind of giving between the two poles.

First, some context. The received wisdom, at least in the media, is that conservatives are more giving. The prevalence of this view may result from its irresistibly counterintuitive flavor -- you know, how curious that conservatives are against spending on social programs and liberals say they care about the poor, but conservatives are generous in their private lives and liberals are skinflints. Conservative pundits like George F. Will ran with this ball because, as he put it, the mismatch "subverts a stereotype." (One that makes his conservative readers look bad, it might be added.)

The source of the notion that conservatives are more generous is the 2006 book "Who Really Cares," by Arthur C. Brooks, who later became president of the pro-business American Enterprise Institute.

The book was a brief for "compassionate conservatism," but its claim raised a lot of skepticism, and not only among liberals. One problem noted across the political spectrum was Brooks' reliance on the 2000 Social Capital Community Benchmark Survey to distinguish "liberal" from "conservative." The problem was that the survey didn't seem to accurately measure those categories and didn't distinguish well between social conservatives or liberals and fiscal conservatives or liberals.

What the MIT researchers did find, however, was that conservatives give more to religious organizations, such as their own churches, and liberals more to secular recipients. Conservatives may give more overall, MIT says, but that's because they tend to be richer, so they have more money to give and get a larger tax benefit from giving it. (One of the things that makes social scientists skeptical of the benchmark survey Brooks used, in fact, is that it somehow concluded that liberals are richer than conservatives.)

The degree of religious contribution is important, because a 2007 study by Indiana University found that only 10% to 25% of church donations end up being spent on social welfare purposes, of which assistance to the poor is only a subset. In other words, if you think of "giving" as "giving to the poor," a lot of the money donated by conservatives may be missing the target.

An extreme case may have been that of Mitt Romney, whose tax disclosures during his 2012 presidential campaign indicated that he gave a higher percentage of his income away than his Democratic opponent, President Obama, 29.4% to 21.8%. Of course he was richer, so he gave away a lot more dollars. But fully 80% of Romney's donations went to the Mormon church; and a large further chunk went to a family foundation that also funneled much of it to the church.

The Obamas' contribution mostly went to humanitarian organizations like the Red Cross and the United Negro College Fund. In 2011 there weren't any general church donations, though $5,000 was listed to the Sidwell Friends School, which educates the Obama daughters.

The bottom line, according to the MIT study, was that "liberals are no more or less generous than conservatives once we adjust for differences in church attendance and income."

http://www.latimes.com/business/hiltzik/la-fi-mh-conservatives-or-liberals-20140331-story.html
 

Zaac

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Giving money is easy. I do not defend either Liberals nor Conservative who do not and are not willing to give of money or of their time.

I am sure Conservatives give more, especially to their churches. But gifts to churches go primarily to help the church, not people in need ... IMHO.


This is EXACTLY what the MIT study found. And I believe this is one of the things that make people in the church look to be less concerned about anyone but themselves.

We've somewhat adopted the same routine we have with sharing the Gospel which is "Get them to the church and the Pastor(ala the church) will take care of it".

Instead of being hands on ourselves, individually, we tend to be content to just write a check or put some money in a plate and let "the church" do it.

But the fact remains if I am a leftist then I am in good company as I try to follow the example of Jesus and follow his teachings.

And I repeat, left or right or whatever they want to call you, you continue to consistently display a spirit more in line with the teachings of Christ than do the majority of them.
 

Alcott

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But the fact remains if I am a leftist then I am in good company as I try to follow the example of Jesus and follow his teachings.

Let's check that out, boy. Have you ever taken any kind of oath? Have you ever called anyone a fool, and thus are in danger of hell fire? Do you believe Jesus is the one and only way to the Father? Have you ever taken a whip to anyone buying and selling, especially crookedly, in the purpose of worship? Do you believe divorce and remarriage, except it be for fornication, is adultery?.

Now, as I cannot recall a post you have ever made that is not political, is politics the most important air of influence that you presume for yourself? I'm sure you know that I'm also asking if it's more important to you than the gospel. Does politics form your doctrine, or does doctrine form your politics?
 

OldRegular

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Let's check that out, boy. Have you ever taken any kind of oath? Have you ever called anyone a fool, and thus are in danger of hell fire? Do you believe Jesus is the one and only way to the Father? Have you ever taken a whip to anyone buying and selling, especially crookedly, in the purpose of worship? Do you believe divorce and remarriage, except it be for fornication, is adultery?.

Now, as I cannot recall a post you have ever made that is not political, is politics the most important air of influence that you presume for yourself? I'm sure you know that I'm also asking if it's more important to you than the gospel. Does politics form your doctrine, or does doctrine form your politics?

I am afraid that Marxism formed his politics as it has much of the elitist democrat leftists!
 

Crabtownboy

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Let's check that out, boy.

Have you ever taken any kind of oath?

Yes, served in the military and received an honorable discharge.

How about you?


Have you ever called anyone a fool and thus are in danger of hell fire?

Probably when I was a kid, but not for at least 60 years.

How about you?



Do you believe Jesus is the one and only way to the Father?
Yes.

How about you?


Have you ever taken a whip to anyone buying and selling, especially crookedly, in the purpose of worship?

No, never involved in the merchant business.

Do you believe divorce and remarriage, except it be for fornication, is adultery?.

Yes.

How about you?


Now, as I cannot recall a post you have ever made that is not political, is politics the most important air of influence that you presume for yourself? I'm sure you know that I'm also asking if it's more important to you than the gospel. Does politics form your doctrine, or does doctrine form your politics?

Here is my. I believe in Jesus as my Lord and Savior. I believe he taught and lived a life in service to others. I try to do the same. So, my doctrine influences my political thinking in that if it hurts others I do not like it. Currently the GOP is bent on hurting just about everyone except the rich IMHO.

How about you?
 

Alcott

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Yes, served in the military and received an honorable discharge.
How about you?


So why did you defy Jesus and take an oath?
And no, a navy recruiter told me that with my hip joint and limp, I could not get in, so I didn't pursue that any further. Then years later, after I applied for graduation and the service knew I was also a flyer, I got a card offering me a test ride in a Tomcat from the Naval Air Station. But I sent back the card with the info requested, including that I was 29, while the navy's maximum age to train a pilot was 27 (at that time). I heard nothing further.

Probably when I was a kid, but not for at least 60 years.
How about you?

I haven't lived 60 years yet. But I can't remember doing so.
But 60 years will be crushed into a ratio of a trillion to one, then a trillion trillion to one for eternal damnation, which Jesus said is in store for anyone who calls someone a fool.

Yes. How about you?

Yes.

No, never involved in the merchant business.

I didn't ask if you were ever in the merchant business. I asked if you had ever taken a whip to buyers and sellers, following the example of Jesus. Have you?

Yes. How about you?

Yes, with the addition in I Corinthians 7, that a believer who is abandoned by an unbelieving spouse is "not bound" in such a case.

Here is my. I believe in Jesus as my Lord and Savior. I believe he taught and lived a life in service to others. I try to do the same. So, my doctrine influences my political thinking in that if it hurts others I do not like it. Currently the GOP is bent on hurting just about everyone except the rich IMHO.
How about you?

With the world as it is, with limited resources, limited money, et al, if you help someone you are going to hurt someone else. If you think what Jesus said should be put into law, then don't disparage anyone else for thinking so, and don't condemn for putting only some of what he said into law, as you obviously do. And you obviously have a like for judging, which he said not to do. But as long as you think if what Jesus said or did that sounds left-wing or agnostic, you can put that into your laws, and hurt somebody that 'needs' to be hurt, you will remain the troll that you are, motivated so obviously by socialist philosophy rather than all the teaching of Jesus.

Which brings us back to that question I have asked you a couple of dozen or more times and you have refused to answer:-- Yes or No: Should scripture be the basis of our laws?
 
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