No, but he wants ppl to make their salvation as sure as they can. You know, 2 Peter 1:10?
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Gospel reductionism
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No, but he wants ppl to make their salvation as sure as they can. You know, 2 Peter 1:10?
A good friend of mine (we've known each other for over 30 years) was an avowed atheist. I prayed for her and did my best to show Christ to her through our friendship. I never "preached" to her at all. About 10 years ago she sent me a facebook message (we live on opposite sides of the country now) with a video attached. It was her giving her testimony and her baptism. I asked her what changed her mind. Her answer? You never stopped showing me God's love. No matter what I said to you about Jesus, God, faith or religion, you kept loving me.
I prayed for 17 years for a couple of family members who had gotten caught up in the Jehovah's Witnesses. I never preached at them, never slammed their false religion...they are now Christians.
Personally, I do not think open air preaching or even door to door witnessing is terribly effective. I've heard more testimonies of people who came to Christ through the example of another, a friend, co-worker or family member. That's how I came to Christ. I was also one of those who would go on and on about the "crazy bible thumpers"...until a friend managed to get behind my defenses...and...well, it's been quite a few years now of following Christ for me.
I prayed for 17 years for a couple of family members who had gotten caught up in the Jehovah's Witnesses. I never preached at them, never slammed their false religion...they are now Christians.
Personally, I do not think open air preaching or even door to door witnessing is terribly effective. I've heard more testimonies of people who came to Christ through the example of another, a friend, co-worker or family member. That's how I came to Christ. I was also one of those who would go on and on about the "crazy bible thumpers"...until a friend managed to get behind my defenses...and...well, it's been quite a few years now of following Christ for me.
Yes, I am allergic to Andy's teachings. They're anti-biblical. I am allergic to anything anti-biblical...
I thought as much.
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I break out in a cold sweat, my heart starts racing and my BP goes up when I hear and/or read his sermons...
You saw I was close to Leighton Flowers yesterday, leaving Dallas...if I had more time I would have searched for him,lol
That guy doesn't even have a clue. Dr. White tore into him like a hurricane tearing into a hut.
Yep. He said to take the focus off the scriptures and put the focus on the resurrection. That sounds all spiritual and all, but its a self-defeating stance. We only know about the resurrection via the scriptures. So, w/o the scriptures, we can not even begin to focus on His resurrection.
This is the epitome of evangelii autem imminutio.
Oh yeah!! To be sermons, they have to use scriptures. Durrrr!! My bad for thinking Andy would do that.
That's great, but we don't know the people we call on, so how are we going to reach them? I'm all in favour of 'friendship evangelism' but a golfer needs more than one club in his bag. Door-to-door work is hard, the results are slow and you need a thick skin at times, but we have had people come into the church as a result of it.
Different people have different ways of being reached. There is no one-way-to-reach-all.
That's odd. Peter didn't mention salvation there. He said make your calling and election sure, which relate to an inheritance - not "saved from hell, going to heaven"
But the issue really is an aside. Not trying to derail the thread
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Sounds like liberal hogwash to me. We are to teach disciples all that Jesus commanded. And didn't He say something about living by the Word, which referred to all of scripture.
And if folks boil down the gospel to "do you want the good stuff" it is not the gospel. Where is the self sacrifice, the picking up the cross daily, the persecution?
Sounds like liberal hogwash to me. We are to teach disciples all that Jesus commanded. And didn't He say something about living by the Word, which referred to all of scripture.
And if folks boil down the gospel to "do you want the good stuff" it is not the gospel. Where is the self sacrifice, the picking up the cross daily, the persecution?
Or even MORE Importantly, when did the Holy Spirit lose his power to save thru the scriptures being preached/taught?
Not only that, but we are dependent on Scripture when we teach of the Resurrection.
The scriptures are the only inspired witness that the Spirit Himself uses!
I'm not sure that we can say the "only inspired witness" as the Body of Christ is commanded to also be inspired witnesses of Christ. But I think your point is right that Scripture is our authority and the revelation of God to man (we are not to be looking for more revelations but for Christ and His return).
Andy Stanley apparently did not mean his comment to be taken as a suggestion to "ditch Scripture", but rather to focus on the gospel and not the nature of Scripture itself (i.e., to teach the gospel rather than teaching about the Bible) as evidenced by his explanation of his statements when they became a topic of debate. I think he is wrong in his view of the congregation (I believe the church gathers to build up the saints, not for the primary purpose of an evangelistic message). But his biggest mistake seems to be wanting to be controversial without taking extreme care in how he says things. Christians and politicians are probably the most unforgiving when it comes to their own.
The words that the Spirit uses in salvation sense are the scriptures, for while we ought to testify and share to others, its the words of the Bible that He takes and uses to enable sinners to be convicted and woken up!
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