Gospel regeneration, is it biblical? Yes? No?

[agedman]

I see no one in the NT church saved by other means than the Gospel. This is Gods chosen method of salvation, by preaching the Gospel. Adding another mystical method to this, one that is not found in Scripture, is error, and is actually another Gospel altogether.

I'm amazed, not surprised at the neo-gnostic like unscriptural revelations that some teach that are named Baptist.

I've also taken note of their most condesending, puffed up, and cynical attitude towards those who don't believe their unscriptural extra-biblical views. The fact that knowledge puffs up doesn't necessitate that said knowledge is in fact truth. Misuse of Scriptures against the dogma that the Gospel is the only method used to save others is also seen.

Do you view regeneration and salvation as the same?

 

[kyredneck]

Define your use of the word "gospel."

.....our Saviour Christ Jesus, who abolished death, and brought life and immortality to light through the gospel, whereunto I was appointed a preacher, and an apostle, and a teacher. 2 Tim 1:10,11

The one Paul preached.

 

[kyredneck]

I see no one in the NT church saved by other means than the Gospel........

'Saved' means what? Bound for eternal bliss in heaven? Show it to be so.

 

[kyredneck]

Define your use of the word "gospel."

I'll tell you what the gospel is not; it is NOT a salvific formula or incantation whereby one can invoke the Spirit to grant immortality. I believe there's probably many here that have exactly that notion of it.

 

[Amy.G]

I'll tell you what the gospel is not; it is NOT a salvific formula or incantation whereby one can invoke the Spirit to grant immortality. I believe there's probably many here that have exactly that notion of it.

1 Cor 15
1 Moreover, brethren, I declare to you the gospel which I preached to you, which also you received and in which you stand, 2 by which also you are saved, if you hold fast that word which I preached to you—unless you believed in vain.
3 For I delivered to you first of all that which I also received: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, 4 and that He was buried, and that He rose again the third day according to the Scriptures, 5 and that He was seen by Cephas, then by the twelve. 6 After that He was seen by over five hundred brethren at once, of whom the greater part remain to the present, but some have fallen asleep. 7 After that He was seen by James, then by all the apostles. 8 Then last of all He was seen by me also, as by one born out of due time.
9 For I am the least of the apostles, who am not worthy to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God. 10 But by the grace of God I am what I am, and His grace toward me was not in vain; but I labored more abundantly than they all, yet not I, but the grace of God which was with me. 11 Therefore, whether it was I or they, so we preach and so you believed.

The gospel in a nutshell. The gospel is the good news that Christ died for our sins. This matters because the wages of sin is eternal death. Christ rose from the dead. This matters because we can know that we will have eternal life with Christ. All this is possible because the gospel has been preached to us and we believed. Eternal life is received through faith in the gospel (good news) that Christ paid for our sins and grants us eternal life.


I don't know what gospel you're preaching.

 

[kyredneck]

1 Cor 15
1 Moreover, brethren, I declare to you the gospel which I preached to you, which also you received and in which you stand, 2 by which also you are saved,....

Saved (sozo) means what? Bound for eternal bliss in heaven? Show it to be so.

.....if you hold fast that word which I preached to you—unless you believed in vain.

Whatever 'saved' means, it depends on whether we 'hold fast' or not.

3 For I delivered to you first of all that which I also received: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, 4 and that He was buried, and that He rose again the third day according to the Scriptures, 5 and that He was seen by Cephas, then by the twelve. 6 After that He was seen by over five hundred brethren at once, of whom the greater part remain to the present, but some have fallen asleep. 7 After that He was seen by James, then by all the apostles. 8 Then last of all He was seen by me also, as by one born out of due time.
9 For I am the least of the apostles, who am not worthy to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God. 10 But by the grace of God I am what I am, and His grace toward me was not in vain; but I labored more abundantly than they all, yet not I, but the grace of God which was with me. 11 Therefore, whether it was I or they, so we preach and so you believed.

The gospel in a nutshell. The gospel is the good news that Christ died for our sins. This matters because the wages of sin is eternal death. Christ rose from the dead. This matters because we can know that we will have eternal life with Christ.

AMEN!

All this is possible because the gospel has been preached to us and we believed. Eternal life is received through faith in the gospel (good news) that Christ paid for our sins and grants us eternal life.

And this is were we part company. Faith is a fruit of the Spirit. For one to believe requires for that one to be alive. Dead people do nothing.

I don't know what gospel you're preaching.

Exactly the same one you posted, but I'm not a preacher.

 

[agedman]

The gospel isn't the gospel without the action.

The Scriptures sitting on the desk have no power to jump up and speak.

The Scriptures are implanted in the believer's heart not just so they might not sin against God, but are living to be shared. No harvest is taken in and not shared.

It is in the spreading of the seed of the gospel that must take place before the plants can take root and grow.

But there is a process that some would neglect to consider. Any gardener and farmer recognizes the process.

The ground must be selected and prepared to receive the seed.

Unprepared is unregenerate and incapable of producing a harvest, and prepared is regenerated not only does it accept the seed but a great harvest is granted. This principle is as Christ taught.

It is the owner of the dirt that selects the seed, determines use of the ground, and when, how, and to what extent the ground is prepared, when to sow, and is the lord of the harvest.

 

[Amy.G]

Saved (sozo) means what? Bound for eternal bliss in heaven? Show it to be so.

It means saved from the penalty of sin.


What is your definition? You've told us what it isn't. Now tell us what it is.

 

[kyredneck]

It means saved from the penalty of sin.

If you mean saved in the eternal sense, prove it. Scripture please.

What is your definition? You've told us what it isn't. Now tell us what it is.

Saved, as opposed to lost. Saved, as having been found as a lost sheep and brought home.

 

[glfredrick]

.....our Saviour Christ Jesus, who abolished death, and brought life and immortality to light through the gospel, whereunto I was appointed a preacher, and an apostle, and a teacher. 2 Tim 1:10,11

The one Paul preached.

I would have a difficult time answering your question in any cognizant way based on what you see as the gospel, though you are on the right track in as far as you take it; your kerygma is correct, but insufficient.

 

[glfredrick]

I'll tell you what the gospel is not; it is NOT a salvific formula or incantation whereby one can invoke the Spirit to grant immortality. I believe there's probably many here that have exactly that notion of it.

Of course not... Though words (kerygma) are used to EXPRESS the gospel, the actual gospel is more than that -- it is the action that those expressed words detail.

 

[glfredrick]

Do you view regeneration and salvation as the same?

I do not, but I am not answering for the person you asked.

 

[glfredrick]

1 Cor 15
1 Moreover, brethren, I declare to you the gospel which I preached to you, which also you received and in which you stand, 2 by which also you are saved, if you hold fast that word which I preached to you—unless you believed in vain.
3 For I delivered to you first of all that which I also received: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, 4 and that He was buried, and that He rose again the third day according to the Scriptures, 5 and that He was seen by Cephas, then by the twelve. 6 After that He was seen by over five hundred brethren at once, of whom the greater part remain to the present, but some have fallen asleep. 7 After that He was seen by James, then by all the apostles. 8 Then last of all He was seen by me also, as by one born out of due time.
9 For I am the least of the apostles, who am not worthy to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God. 10 But by the grace of God I am what I am, and His grace toward me was not in vain; but I labored more abundantly than they all, yet not I, but the grace of God which was with me. 11 Therefore, whether it was I or they, so we preach and so you believed.

The gospel in a nutshell. The gospel is the good news that Christ died for our sins. This matters because the wages of sin is eternal death. Christ rose from the dead. This matters because we can know that we will have eternal life with Christ. All this is possible because the gospel has been preached to us and we believed. Eternal life is received through faith in the gospel (good news) that Christ paid for our sins and grants us eternal life.


I don't know what gospel you're preaching.

Much better expression of the kerygma! Of course it is -- it is Scripture!

I would bold the actions of Christ, for that is truly the gospel that is expressed via words.

Additionally, I would add that the gospel involves living in community relationships, marriage, family, church, and with the "oikos" of our daily lives, as well as a hope for and expectation to the glorification that comes our way one day after persevering in the faith.

 

[Amy.G]

I'll tell you what the gospel is not; it is NOT a salvific formula or incantation whereby one can invoke the Spirit to grant immortality. I believe there's probably many here that have exactly that notion of it.

"Salvific formula"? "Incantation"? What are you talking about??
The gospel is the GOOD NEWS of what Christ has done.
As GL said, the actions of Christ. We are to have faith in this news to receive eternal life. We are saved from the wages of sin, which is eternal death.

I still don't have a clue as to what you think we are saved from.

 

[preacher4truth]

Do you view regeneration and salvation as the same?

Yes I do. :thumbsup:

 

[kyredneck]

"Salvific formula"? "Incantation"? What are you talking about??

Do you believe the Mormon gospel is sending people to hell? If so, why.

The gospel is the GOOD NEWS of what Christ has done.
As GL said, the actions of Christ.

AMEN!

We are to have faith in this news to receive eternal life. We are saved from the wages of sin, which is eternal death.

Eternal life is a free gift from God, it is not a reward for an act of the creature. It is not dependent upon our will or others will, it is totally dependent upon the birth from above.

 

[mandym]

Wow.

Apparently there some who claim God does not use the gospel in regenerating sinners.

I found this on the Primitive Baptist Online website:

"Paul says the medium through which this work is accomplished is Christ. Nowhere in his argument here does the Apostle mention the gospel. If God uses the gospel in this work, Paul either did not know it, or knowing it, he failed to make mention of it. Paul cannot be charged with criminal neglect; and since regeneration is one of the fundamentals in the religion of Christ, and in the statement of that doctrine he makes no mention of the use of the gospel, we argue that sinners are NOT regenerated through the instrumentality of the written or spoken Word[.] Paid [sic Paul?] learned this doctrine from Christ."

There is nothing biblical or Baptist about that heresy

 

[Amy.G]

Do you believe the Mormon gospel is sending people to hell? If so, why.

Obviously yes because they preach a different gospel of a made up Jesus.
What does that have to do with the real gospel?

Eternal life is a free gift from God, it is not a reward for an act of the creature. It is not dependent upon our will or others will, it is totally dependent upon the birth from above.

So no faith required?

 

[kyredneck]

....I still don't have a clue as to what you think we are saved from.

Yes I do. :thumbsup:

Take heed to thyself, and to thy teaching. Continue in these things; for in doing this thou shalt save both thyself and them that hear thee. 1 Tim 4:16

What's up with this comment from Paul? Was Timothy not yet regenerated? Did he not have eternal life yet?

 

[OldRegular]

Do you view regeneration and salvation as the same?

I believe that salvation involves more than regeneration but it is a Biblical fact that one whom God the Holy Spirit has regenerated will be glorified!

Philippians 1:6, KJV
Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform [it] until the day of Jesus Christ:

Romans 8:28-30, KJV
28. And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.
29. For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
30. Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.

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Now folks, the Doctrine of Grace did not originate with Paul It originated with the Triune Godhead otherwise it is a foolish doctrine!

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John 3: 3, 6 KJV
3. Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
6. That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

Our Lord Jesus Christ speaking to Nicodemus about regeneration by the Holy Spirit.

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John 3:16, KJV
16. For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
18. He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

John 5:24, KJV
1Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.

The necessity of the exercise of God given faith.

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John 6:44, KJV
No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

The fruit of regeneration.

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John 6:40, KJV
And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

Again the necessity of the exercise of God given faith.

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John 6:39, KJV
And this is the Father’s will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.

The guarantee of the ultimate glorification of those chosen before the foundation of the world unto salvation in Jesus Christ and given to Him by God the Father.