Grace and discipleship

[Revmitchell]

I'M PATHETIC. That's hilarious. You folks accuse me of something you can't prove and you get mad because I won't answer your questions and do your job for you and I'M PATHETIC :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: Keep them laughs coming.

If I am who you say I am then you all should be able to prove it with more than coincidences.

Do you believe the following:


6. We believe that in order to enter into the millennial Kingdom age and reign with Christ, a chosen disciple must be qualified in this age by suffering faithfully (Mt. 5:10-12; Lk. 9:62; 2 Thes. 1:5; 2 Tim. 2:11-12; Acts 14:22; Rev. 20:4-6).


http://www.1-heart.org/statement_of_faith.htm

 

[HisWordIsTruth]

Better hope you don't pass away in this state or you will be spending a 1000 year vacation in a place you don't want to be.

Really? How is it that you haven't been banned. This sure sounds like you support Millennial Exclusion to me.

 

[webdog]

Yes, pathetic...and not, it's not hilarious. It's sad. This seems to be a game to you. Why not go troll on a board that your welcome at? There has got to be a board somewhere you James Newmann, Hope of Glory, Lacy Evans, etc. hang out to get their fix of heresy.

 

[Revmitchell]

Really? How is it that you haven't been banned. This sure sounds like you support Millennial Exclusion to me.

Do you believe the following:


6. We believe that in order to enter into the millennial Kingdom age and reign with Christ, a chosen disciple must be qualified in this age by suffering faithfully (Mt. 5:10-12; Lk. 9:62; 2 Thes. 1:5; 2 Tim. 2:11-12; Acts 14:22; Rev. 20:4-6).


http://www.1-heart.org/statement_of_faith.htm

 

[HisWordIsTruth]

Well it's late here in America and I've got to work tomorrow, so it's time for bed. I guess that makes me Jason Jump because I've got a job and I've got to sleep :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: You guys were a hoot. You really did provide me with some "free" entertainment tonight. Thanks!

 

[standingfirminChrist]

Do you believe the following:


6. We believe that in order to enter into the millennial Kingdom age and reign with Christ, a chosen disciple must be qualified in this age by suffering faithfully (Mt. 5:10-12; Lk. 9:62; 2 Thes. 1:5; 2 Tim. 2:11-12; Acts 14:22; Rev. 20:4-6).


http://www.1-heart.org/statement_of_faith.htm

If he answers truthfully, it will be a surprise. But, I expect he will use more evasive nonsense rather than admit who he is and what he believes.

Notice he still refuses to answer the question if he believes that some of the saved will be cast into outer darkness. (I use outer darkness rather than hell, because Jump would tell you that hell and outer darkness were not the same. That is why he answered they won't spend 1,000 years in hell.)

 

[Revmitchell]

If he answers truthfully, it will be a surprise. But, I expect he will use more evasive nonsense rather than admit who he is and what he believes.

Notice he still refuses to answer the question if he believes that some of the saved will be cast into outer darkness. (I use outer darkness rather than hell, because Jump would tell you that hell and outer darkness were not the same. That is why he answered they won't spend 1,000 years in hell.)

I know. That is why I used his words from his site

 

[Amy.G]

I just read HWIT's posts in the Politics thread, and it's JJump alright.

I remember him arguing that it was wrong to vote when he was listed as JJump way back when.

 

[standingfirminChrist]

HWIT is also using keywords JJump used such as "sanctifying faith" and 'piece of the puzzie' or 'part of the puzzle.'

I am sure there are many other keywords that give him away.

But HWIT, if he is honest, cannot deny that it is more than coincidence that he, J. Jump, and SeekingHisTruth are one in the same with practically the same signature and from the same church... WBC - Woodridge Baptist Church.

 

[Revmitchell]

HWIT is also using keywords JJump used such as "sanctifying faith" and 'piece of the puzzie' or 'part of the puzzle.'

I am sure there are many other keywords that give him away.

But HWIT, if he is honest, cannot deny that it is more than coincidence that he, J. Jump, and SeekingHisTruth are one in the same with practically the same signature and from the same church... WBC - Woodridge Baptist Church.

And the same sof between two of them in his profile

 

[Amy.G]

Why does he keep coming back and thinking he won't be found out?

Creepy.

 

[Revmitchell]

By the way jason I am sorry to learn of your sons condition:

The not so good news is that our son Micah has been diagnosed with a brain tumor and we are not sure what exactly it is. Micah is all but officially diagnosed with Neurofibromatois, which is a genetic disorder that attacks the nervous system.

http://www.1-heart.org/news.htm


May God be with him and your family.

 

[standingfirminChrist]

It's called rebellion. He will not submit to the authority of the BB Administrators. They ban him, he'll prove they have no power over him. He just comes back under a different alias.

 

[gb93433]

I use the Received Text, Textus Receptus, what do you use?

That is good to know. Now I can assume you understand Greek and know how to use the Greek text. So maybe we can have some serious discussion about the text.

I compare the text and apparatus of the UBS 3, UBS 4 rev. ed. , NA26, NA 27, GRAMCORD, & TR texts.

 

[David Lamb]

Because discipleship is not a part of everlasting life. If it was then it would be by works, not by grace alone in the finished works of Christ alone.

You simply can't have it both ways. It's either one or the other.

Salvation is based solely on the finished works of Christ and that is that He died and shed His blood in our place, because we are incapable of acting in such a manner to bring about our own salvation.

If we believe that we are saved. Then one must be taught what it means to be a disciple. Another reason we know discipleship has nothing to do with everlasting life is because there is a cost involved. There is no cost to the person to believe on the Lord Jesus. You believe and it is over and done with.

Discipleship requires on-going faith. Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ is a one-time faith that once you believe the matter is over and done with.

I fully agree that salvation is based solely on the completed work of Jesus Christ, and that we are not saved as a result of any works of ours. However, I must repeat that thew gaoler was told to believe on the Lord Jesus Christ. He was not told that he would be saved if He believed that someone called Jesus of Nazareth existed. Certainly, as Jesus Himself said, there will be many who will call Him "Lord" to whom He will say, "Depart from Me." But believing on the Lord Jesus Christ includes believing that He is our Lord. In case I have misunderstood you, perhaps you could explain what you understand by those words, "Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ."

 

[HisWordIsTruth]

He was not told that he would be saved if He believed that someone called Jesus of Nazareth existed.

Finally someone that wants to deal with the "issue at hand" instead of playing games .

Thanks David.

By the way if you will go back and re-read my posts (minus the witch hunt responses) you will see that I never said that someone was saved just because they believed Jesus of Nazareth existed.

That is the argument that folks use for us that believe in what folks refer to as "cheap" grace. Grace is not cheap as it cost the Lamb of God His life and well as great suffering.

There are a lot of people that believe a Jewish man named Jesus walked the earth 2000 years ago. That "faith" will not save! And no one that I know that promotes the Truth of believe on the Lord Jesus and you will be saved has ever said that. There may be some, but I don't know of any and I certainly don't believe that to be true.

Faith has to be in what the Lord Jesus did on our behalf as sinners. If we believe we are a sinner and in need of a Savior and believe that the Lord Jesus died on the cross and shed His blood on our behalf then we are saved. It's that plain and simple. I don't know why folks want to complicate matters.

 

[standingfirminChrist]

If one believes without repenting, one will not be saved. Repentance is necessary.

Revelation 2:22 Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds.

Repentance and faith toward God are necessary for Salvation. As I showed by Scripture, confession is also necessary.

Matthew 10:33 But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven.

A person can believe in Christ, but if they are unashamed of Him, if they are unwilling to proclaim Him before men, they will not enter Heaven.

 

[HisWordIsTruth]

If one believes without repenting, one will not be saved. Repentance is necessary.

Then you have no other option but to say Paul lied in Acts 16 and Ephesians 2, because not only did he not say anything about repentance, he didn't even allude to repentance in either of those statements.

Why can't we not believe what the Bible says? It says BELIEVE. Why do you try and argue against the very Word of God standingfirm?

Look again at what Ephesians 2 says:

For by grace you have been saved through faith;

NOT A SINGLE MENTION of confession or repentance or anything else baptism, whatever you would like to add to the mix.

They were saved by faith standingfirm. Do where does it say anything about them confessing or repenting. It was faith that saved them because of God's grace.

We can either believe that or not.

 

[standingfirminChrist]

Then you have no other option but to say Paul lied in Acts 16 and Ephesians 2, because not only did he not say anything about repentance, he didn't even allude to repentance in either of those statements.

Why can't we not believe what the Bible says? It says BELIEVE. Why do you try and argue against the very Word of God standingfirm?

Look again at what Ephesians 2 says:

For by grace you have been saved through faith;

NOT A SINGLE MENTION of confession or repentance or anything else baptism, whatever you would like to add to the mix.

They were saved by faith standingfirm. Do where does it say anything about them confessing or repenting. It was faith that saved them because of God's grace.

We can either believe that or not.

No, Scripture tells us what is necessary. Apparently you have a hard time understanding Scripture.

 

[standingfirminChrist]

Repent and repentance are found 47 times in the KJV.

Do actually think they were put there just to fill up space?

Jesus said 'Except ye repent...'
Christ said that He did not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance. Jesus demands repentance. If you are not repentant, you cannot be saved.