Graphic video of Tulsa man as he was killed by cop who thought he pulled taser

[InTheLight]

According to the quote above, the guy had 800 hours of training to get to the position he was in. He paid in donations to be able to get there, but he was trained. He didn't "buy his way in". 800 hours of training is roughly the equivalent of an entire year of college classes (at 5 hrs/day, 5 days/week, 4 weeks/month, 9 months = 900 hours).

And what amount of training do real police officers go through before they get their badge? Anybody know?

 

[Zaac]

According to the quote above, the guy had 800 hours of training to get to the position he was in. He paid in donations to be able to get there, but he was trained. He didn't "buy his way in". 800 hours of training is roughly the equivalent of an entire year of college classes (at 5 hrs/day, 5 days/week, 4 weeks/month, 9 months = 900 hours).



I would attribute his mistake to age, not lack of training.

The question at hand is if they are giving donations to secure membership in the Police Reserves in much the same way you would a country club? What they donate to get their hours is another story.

And age or lack of training, he should not have been in a position where he had the opportunity to use deadly force on ANYONE.

The entire idea is somewhat ludicrous. They aren't hired by the city. They aren't paid by the city. But they are able to use deadly force against someone else?

This is crazy and needs to be shut down.

 

[InTheLight]

The entire idea is somewhat ludicrous. They aren't hired by the city. They aren't paid by the city. But they are able to use deadly force against someone else?

I would also add that they are not investigated by the city, either. They have carte blanche to do whatever they want. This is the problem in a nutshell.

 

[carpro]

A tragic accident.:tear:

 

[carpro]

And what amount of training do real police officers go through before they get their badge? Anybody know?

Far less than 800 hours. It varies , but generally less than 400 hours.

 

[annsni]

And what amount of training do real police officers go through before they get their badge? Anybody know?

Realize this man also had gone through full police training since he was a cop many years ago.

 

[Zaac]

Realize this man also had gone through full police training since he was a cop many years ago.

He was a cop for less than a year, I think one story said back in the 60s. Things have changed TREMENDOUSLY.

 

[Zaac]

Deputy charged in Tulsa shooting

(CNN)The Tulsa County deputy who shot and killed a man instead of using his Taser now faces a manslaughter charge.

Video shows Reserve Deputy Robert Bates announcing he is going to deploy his Taser after an undercover weapons sting on April 2, but then shooting Eric Courtney Harris in the back with a handgun.

In a written statement, Tulsa County District Attorney Stephen A. Kunzweiler said Bates is charged with second-degree manslaughter involving culpable negligence. It's a felony charge that could land the volunteer deputy in prison for up to four years if he's found guilty.

Scott Wood, an attorney who represents Bates, said the shooting was an "excusable homicide."

"We believe the video itself proves that it was an accident of misfortune that occurred while Deputy Bates was fulfilling his duties as a reserve deputy," Wood said. "He is not guilty of second-degree manslaughter."

Investigators' efforts to defend Bates and the other deputies involved in the arrest have sparked a mounting chorus of criticism online. Harris' family is demanding an independent investigation of what they call unjustified brutality.

They're also questioning why the 73-year-old Bates -- the CEO of an insurance company who volunteers as a certified reserve deputy -- was on the scene in such a sensitive and high-risk sting operation.

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http://www.cnn.com/2015/04/13/us/tulsa-police-shooting-eric-harris-deputy-charged/

I guess they just charged him as they should have. But the city and the department still need to be held responsible.

 

[blackbird]

And THIS is a major problem across the country. There needs to be some sort of mandatory special prosecutor to deal with police killings. Because leaving it up to the prosecutors who work with their departments day in and out to decide whether or not to press charges just doesn't make much sense.

Usually----such cases are turned over to the Alabama State Police invigation squads when such happens here in Alabama

 

[annsni]

He was a cop for less than a year, I think one story said back in the 60s. Things have changed TREMENDOUSLY.

But it doesn't negate the fact that in addition to the 800 hours of training for the reserve, he also did full police training.

 

[Rolfe]

But it doesn't negate the fact that in addition to the 800 hours of training for the reserve, he also did full police training.

:thumbs::thumbs:

 

[Zaac]

But it doesn't negate the fact that in addition to the 800 hours of training for the reserve, he also did full police training.

50 plus years ago. If what he did 50 plus years ago mattered, they wouldn't have made him take the 800 hours of training.

 

[carpro]

50 plus years ago. If what he did 50 plus years ago mattered, they wouldn't have made him take the 800 hours of training.

Training is current. Sorry you weren't paying attention.

 

[Zaac]

Training is current. Sorry you weren't paying attention.

I'm well aware that the training is current. Sorry you weren't paying attention. He had to take current training because what he did 50 years ago didn't matter to the position today.

 

[carpro]

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[carpro]

I'm well aware that the training is current. Sorry you weren't paying attention. He had to take current training because what he did 50 years ago didn't matter to the position today.

So you're now admitting that he is better trained than any police officer coming out of a typical police academy.

 

[Zaac]

So you're now admitting that he is better trained than any police officer coming out of a typical police academy.

I admitted no such thing. You've got a reading problem.I just spoke to the irrelevancy of his training 50 years ago because it's 50 years old. Nothing more.

 

[carpro]

I admitted no such thing. You've got a reading problem.I just spoke to the irrelevancy of his training 50 years ago because it's 50 years old. Nothing more.

You might as well admit it.

No officer coming out of a police academy has as many as 800 hours of training.

So it wasn't lack of "training" that caused him to make such a mistake. That one will never fly in a court room.He drew the wrong weapon. Sounds like lack of practice. Maybe his weapons were too close to each other. Don't know. Either way, it shouldn't have happened.

But without reserve officers, many sheriff's departments would be in a tough spot. Deputies, by and large, aren't paid anywhere near as much as police officers. They are chronically short of people.

 

[Zaac]

You might as well admit it.

I might as well say what I DID say. That's why I said it.

No officer coming out of a police academy has as many as 800 hours of training.

So?

So it wasn't lack of "training" that caused him to make such a mistake.

How do you know? Maybe his 800 hours weren't in carrying a weapon and being the arresting officer and having to use deadly force.

That one will never fly in a court room.He drew the wrong weapon. Sounds like lack of practice. Maybe his weapons were too close to each other. Don't know. Either way, it shouldn't have happened.

Primary weapons are positioned on the strong side and are generally aligned for quick access. Secondary weapons are often out of that alignment so that you realize that you're not grabbing for the primary weapon.

But without reserve officers, many sheriff's departments would be in a tough spot. Deputies, by and large, aren't paid anywhere near as much as police officers. They are chronically short of people.

Doesn't matter. Raise taxes. POs need to be doing PO work. Incidents like this will cost a municipality far more than paying additional regular officers.

 

[carpro]

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Doesn't matter. Raise taxes. POs need to be doing PO work. Incidents like this will cost a municipality far more than paying additional regular officers.

Out of touch with reality, as usual.


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