Grassy Knoll or Lone Gunman?

[Dr. Bob]

It is amazing that MORE US Presidents have not been the target of assassins. Even the Pope was not exempt.

And yes, no one would do this and trust just ONE man. There would be back-ups and contingincies . . AND a way to kill the patsy that was set up for the killing.

 

[LarryN]

Originally posted by Dr. Bob Griffin:
It is amazing that MORE US Presidents have not been the target of assassins. Even the Pope was not exempt.

Of 43 Presidents:

4 have been assassinated: Lincoln (1865), Garfield (1881), McKinley (1901), and Kennedy (1963).

At least 3 others have had serious attempts made on their lives: Truman, Ford, and Reagan.

Reagan is the only one of five to survive being shot.

 

[Dina]

Court Tv is doing a story on it right now. they are also supposed to be showing new tests as evidence.

 

[swaimj]

I saw the program on Court TV. They did a very good job with scientific tecniques to show that the conspiracy theories just don't hold up. Here are the most significant arguments, in my mind, that the show made.

First, using the Zapruder film, they showed that the "single bullet theory" is quite plausible when you consider the positions the president and governor actually held when the bullets struck. No magic bullet required.

Second, the evidence for the fourth shot from the grassy knoll is non-existent. The tape recording from the open mic on the police motorcycle is shown to have been made minutes AFTER the assassination, not during it. There are no gunshot sounds on the tape at all.

Third, if there was a gunman on the grassy knoll, he left behind absolutely NO scientific evidence of his existence. Even the scientist who argued for him in the 1978 congressional re-opening of the investigation concluded that his bullet missed. The program showed that the final fatal shot which struck Kennedy (the one that threw his head backward) COULD NOT have come from the grassy knoll because a bullet from that location would have gone from one side of Kennedy to the other, not from front to back.

Somehow I suspect the wild theories and speculations will continue.

 

[Dina]

I watched it too. But I still can not wrap my brain around a lone gunman. If anything, all that watching it did for me was just create more questions.

 

[TomVols]

I believe in more than one gunman, but not sure as to the consipiracies. It's not like JFK didn't have his enemies, so this could've been just a vanilla assasination attempt and the investigation bungled by the Feds (Gee, imagine that). But the climate politically and economically certainly adds fuel to the conspiritorial fire.

 

[Clay Knick]

Perhaps more than one gunman. I'm not
sure about a plot. We'll never know.

Clay

 

[Johnv]

Originally posted by swaimj:
I saw the program on Court TV. They did a very good job with scientific tecniques to show that the conspiracy theories just don't hold up.

I, too, saw it, and was very impressed with the evidence presented. A good deal of it was nothing new, it was just presented more completely. After watching it, I had changed my mind about the stretcher bullet. After seeing the info about the tumbling effect, and seeing ballistics results on tumbled bullets, I no longer think the bullet was planted. Rather, it is very possible, and given the radioactivity tests, probable, that the stretcher bullet was the bullet that did damage to Kennedy's back/neck and Connelly's back/neck/wrist.

 

[Johnv]

I have come to the conclusion that John F Kennedy was killed by the same people who killed JonBenet Ramsey and Nicole Brown Simpson.

 

[Dr. Bob]

 

[td]

Lone gunman. The car was only 80 yards away and Oswald's rifle had a scope. The record shows he was an expert marksman and could consistently hit targets farther than 200 yds. Computer simulations rendered over the Zapruder film show it couldn't have happened any other way.

 

[NaasPreacher (C4K)]

I tend toward the love gunman theory. The only niggly thought in the back of my mind is soemthing I remember hearing years ago and heard the tape on Irish radio again this morning. It is the tape of the on the scene radio announcer who, before he knew what was goin on, talked about the people and the police rushing up, as he called it, "a small hill" on Elm Street. All he kept saying was that "something has happened in the motorcade." This one aspect has always left doubts in my mind about the love gunman.

 

[Aaron]

Best of Kennedy Assassination Websites

A book I read about ten years ago was very enlightening. It's called Best Evidence [CLICK HERE] .

The author was a graduate student earning his master's in physics when the assassination occurred. He thought at the time the best evidence was the Zapruder film, but he learned early on through his partnership with a law school professor the best evidence would be the testimony of those who handled the body.

Over 700 pages, the author interviews both the Dallas doctors and the doctors from Bethesda, compares and contrasts their testimonies. His conclusion? Conspiracy.

To those who think the Jennings subterfuge on ABC was anything but smoke and mirrors, I've got some oceanfront property in Kansas City for sale...

 

[Baptist Believer]

Originally posted by swaimj:
I saw the program on Court TV. They did a very good job with scientific tecniques to show that the conspiracy theories just don't hold up. Here are the most significant arguments, in my mind, that the show made.

First, using the Zapruder film, they showed that the "single bullet theory" is quite plausible when you consider the positions the president and governor actually held when the bullets struck. No magic bullet required.

Except for the fact that it requires the bullet (allegedly shot from a 6th story window) to hit Kennedy between the shoulder blades, travel up the interior of his body, exit through his neck, go through the knot in his tie, go through Connelly’s back, wrist and thigh (leaving shrapnel lodged in his body) and then look like a bullet fired into cotton. Besides the trajectory problems, where did Connelly’s shrapnel come from? The so-called magic bullet had not lost any mass.

Furthermore, it’s pretty clear that JFK was hit first and Connelly at least a second or two later (you can recognize the impact on Connelly when his cheeks “puff” from the impact of a bullet tearing through his body).

And if the pristine “magic bullet” was not the bullet that went through their bodies and left shrapnel in Connelly’s body (we don’t know about Kennedy’s body except that the shrapnel from the head shot was found at the top of the skull – indicating that the fatal shot came from a much lower angle than the six-floor), who planted it there. And how did they run it through Oswald’s gun before he was arrested?

Second, the evidence for the fourth shot from the grassy knoll is non-existent.

I have not taken a position on which shots came from where or exactly how many there were. But there’s all kinds of eyewitness testimony that affirms that there was shooting from behind the picket fence on the “grassy knoll”.

In the films of the scene, police and regular citizens charged up the slope looking for the gunman. During the shooting, eyewitnesses standing on the “knoll” heard shots coming from behind them.

The tape recording from the open mic on the police motorcycle is shown to have been made minutes AFTER the assassination, not during it. There are no gunshot sounds on the tape at all.

Yes. Everyone knows this.

Third, if there was a gunman on the grassy knoll, he left behind absolutely NO scientific evidence of his existence. Even the scientist who argued for him in the 1978 congressional re-opening of the investigation concluded that his bullet missed. The program showed that the final fatal shot which struck Kennedy (the one that threw his head backward) COULD NOT have come from the grassy knoll because a bullet from that location would have gone from one side of Kennedy to the other, not from front to back.

Not if the bullet didn’t exit the skull (if it would have, Jackie Kennedy probably would not have survived). JFK was leaning forward and slightly to the left when the fatal bullet struck (I just reviewed the Zapruder film in slow motion) and Jackie Kennedy’s head was very close to his as she was trying to figure out why JFK was clutching his throat. When he was hit, the right side and right rear of his skull exploded leaving bullet fragments in the top of his skull. That seems to indicated that the shots came from a low angle. Because of the extensive damage, some suspect that two bullets hit at almost the same time front both the right front and right rear (which would explain why the motorcycle police officer behind the limo was covered in blood and brain matter as well as all the occupants of the limo and a piece of his skull landed on the trunk of the limo – actually visible in the Zapruder film – that Jackie crawled onto the back of the car and retrieved before the Secret Service agent pushed her back into the passenger compartment).

Somehow I suspect the wild theories and speculations will continue.

Yep. Because the Warren Commission report ignores too much evidence that doesn’t support their theory.

 

[Jerry Shugart]

One bit of evidence is very revealing.He was supposedly shot in the back while the bullet was moving in a "downward" motion.

However,the evidence demonstrates that he was hit at the knot of his necktie.I cannot understand how this is possible.

If he was hit in the back and the bullet was traveling in a "downward" motion then it would be impossible for the bullet to exit at the knot in his necktie!

It was LBJ who had everything to gain from Kennedy's death and it was LBJ who had the resources in Dallas to cover up the facts.

 

[Jerry Shugart]

The following site has some photographs of the "magic bullet" and lots more!

http://impiousdigest.com/lbj/part1aa.htm

 

[Jude]

Not for those of weak-stomach:
http://www.powow.com/reviews/zap.htm

I've watched several hours of 'conspiracy-theories' shows on History Channel. My suspicions:
1. Oswald was indeed a patsy, as he claimed.
2. Someone else killed Officer Tippett
3. There were FOUR shots, at least, and the fatal shot came from the Grassy Knoll
4. LBJ, Hoover and other high officials were involved in the conspiracy

My conclusion:
We will never know the truth in this life.