Great white throne judgment:

Irregardless of when you think I'll be taken to heaven:

When I get to heaven, what sins of mine will be left for
which I am to be punished?

Answer: NONE NONE NONE.
So there are no pillories in the Kingdom of HEaven
for whipping people. It will be a prize giving ceremony.

Me4Him: //Just as we won't stand "judgement twice" (at the GWT) neither will the "Tares" stand judgment twice, once at Jesus's coming and again at the GWT.//

I respecfully disagree. As I said on page two, there are multiple
judgements. We who are Judged at the 'Bema Seat of Christ'
(comes from the Greek for the stands like at the Olympics where
the 3ed, 1st, and 2ed place are given their metals)
will not be judged at the Great White Throne Judgement.

However, there are no anti-double-jepardy rules for those who
reject Jesus as their Lord and Savior. Bad people may face
multiple judgements. Judgement is sure, but there might be more
than one.

Strange that some folks think that God will send His special,
Jesus'es-blood-bought Children through the middle of His judgement
on the world called the Tribulation Period. What kind of God
do they worship?

 

At the end of the trib (first resurrection) Jesus come with "ALL HIS SAINT", these are the one "judged" at the BEMA,

angels "FIRST" (note) reap/cast all the unsaved (tares) into hell, then the BEMA takes place, the tares don't "APPEAR" before the "judgment seat" at this time.

This is why HELL gives up the dead, (tares) in it at the GWT to "APPEAR".

2Co 5:10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ;

(all judgment is committed to Jesus, BEMA/GWT, but Jesus is God)

Jesus reaps the righteous "FIRST" in the rapture, leaving the unsaved.
Angels reap the wicked "FIRST" at his returning, leaving the righteous.

Even stranger, Jesus said the gate of hell can't prevail against the church because he who is in us is greater than he who is in the world and must flee when we resist preventing sin from having "dominion over us",

yet they wouldn't believe that he who is in us wouldn't have to be "taken out of the way" first before Satan can prevail over the trib saint and have "dominion" over all kindren, tongues and nations.

Guess they just don't "SEE" the contradictions, uh???

 

Mat 19:28 (KJV1769 with Strong's numbers):
And1161 Jesus2424 said2036 unto them,846 Verily281 I say3004 unto you,5213 That3754 ye5210 which have followed190 me,3427 in1722 the3588 regeneration3824 when3752 the3588 Son5207 of man444 shall sit2523 in1909 the throne2362 of his848 glory,1391 ye5210 also2532 shall sit2523 upon1909 twelve1427 thrones,2362 judging2919 the3588 twelve1427 tribes5443 of Israel.2474


And the Strong's entry says:

G3824
παλιγγενεσία
paliggenesia
pal-ing-ghen-es-ee'-ah
From G3825 and G1078;
(spiritual) rebirth (the state or the act),
that is, (figuratively) spiritual renovation;
specifically Messianic restoration:
- regeneration.

Sorry, just reading my Bible again.

This passage is speaking of the
physical, literal, earthly Millinnial
Messanic Kingdom. See Revelation 20 for
further details. </font>[/QUOTE]Silly rationale Ed. The earth is not regenerated until after your supposed earthly millennial reign.

 

Old Regular,
If you get stuck in purgatory, send me $5 and Ill pray you out.

 

People are regenerated (resurrected)
just before the Millinnial Messanic Kingdom.

By definition, the world is regenerated before
the NEW WORLD AND NEW HEAVENS age.

 

Your sarcasm is so subtile it eludes me!

 

Paul the apostle wrote very clearly we ALL shall stand before the judgment seat of Christ to GIVE AN ACCOUNT of the things we did, whether good or bad.II Cor 5:10.The "WE" Paul was refering to are Christians.For that is who he was writing to.

Modern day evangelists like to say we shall only stand before Christ to receive our rewards, but this is NOT what Paul said at all. Paul clearly meant we will give an account of the things we DID in our lives. Many have said this occurs at death, when the soul leaves the body and we stand before the Lord before entering heaven. A review of our life comes before our eyes.Then Jesus points out our short comings of WHAT COULD HAVE BEEN done better.

To me, this makes more sense. For why would the souls of millions be allowed into heaven at death and then thousands of years later, be hauled out of heaven to be judged formerly? I believe the judgment of the saints works takes place AT THEIR DEATH and not later after the millennium.

 

Ed Ed

You are so confused about so many things. In Matthew 19:28 Jesus Christ is talking about the renewal [the making new] of the heavens and earth as I showed once before:

Matthew19:28 And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

[Thayer's Lexicon: paliggenesia; KJV - regeneration]

1) new birth, reproduction, renewal, recreation, regeneration
1a) hence renovation, regeneration, the production of a new life consecrated to God, a radical change of mind for the better. The word often used to denote the restoration of a thing to its pristine state, its renovation, as a renewal or restoration of life after death
1b) the renovation of the earth after the deluge
1c) the renewal of the world to take place after its destruction by fire, as the Stoics taught
1d) the signal and glorious change of all things (in heaven and earth) for the better, that restoration of the primal and perfect condition of things which existed before the fall of our first parents, which the Jews looked for in connection with the advent of the Messiah, and which Christians expected in connection with the visible return of Jesus from heaven.

The Apostle Paul alludes to this fact in Romans 8:19-22 [quoted in context of verses 16-25]:

16. The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
17. And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.
18. For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us.
19. For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.
20. For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope,
21. Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.
22. For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.
23. And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.
24. For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for?
25. But if we hope for that we see not, then do we with patience wait for it.

 

Old Regular,
Reading posts on your theology, lots eludes you.

 

Well hang in there. Given time, and diligent study, perhaps you will mature sufficiently to grasp the truth.

 

Matthew19:28 And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you,
That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man
shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon
twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

OldRegular: //In Matthew 19:28 Jesus Christ is talking about
the renewal [the making new] of the heavens and earth
as I showed once before:... //


With which part of the lexicon entry "spiritual renovation;
specifically Messianic restoration" are you having problems?
The scripture seems to deny YOUR understanding.
The verse clear speaks of a time when 'the Son of man shall
sit in the throne of his glory' - this happens in the Millinnial
Messanic Kingdom. The verse clearly speaks of the 12 disciples helping
Him rule over and "judging the twelve tribes of Israel" - this happens
in the Millinnial Messaniac Kingdom - not on the restored earth/heavens.
By then the 12 tribs will have already faced GOD'S JUDGEMENT and will
not need to be judged anymore.

 

Well hang in there ED ED. Given time, and diligent study, perhaps you will mature sufficiently to grasp the truth.

 

I don't have
any time left. I'm cramming for Finals*

That is 'eternal finals' like in the last
days of life.-

 

Isa 11:6-9 (KJV1611):
The wolfe also shall dwell with the lambe, and the leopard shall lie downe with the kid: and the calfe and the yong lion, and the fatling together, and a litle child shall lead them.
7 And the cow and the beare shall feed, their yong ones shall lie downe together: and the lyon shall eate straw like the oxe.
8 And the sucking childe shall play on the hole of the aspe, and the weaned childe shall put his hand on the cockatrice denne.
9 They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountaine: for the earth shall bee full of the

When on earth did this happen on earth before now?
When will this happen on earth in the future other than
in the Millinnial Messianic Kingdom?
If this happens in heaven, will there be new
sucking children weaned children, poisenous
snakes (the asp), and spiders (cockatrice) in heaven?

 

Da 9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week:

I can, with scripture, destroy any explanation of the above verse "Except" the "Pre trib rapture".

The charts I post are "MINE", I get my information, "from the Bible/Holy Ghost", men can be wrong, Spirit can't.

I've "heard" of Lehaye, but who is Larkin???

 

"WHICH", regeneration are you referring to, the one when we are "Born again" by the "Spirit"

or the one where the "Corruptable" puts on the IN-corruptable"??

Ya see, one is "Spiritual" as in "Born again" and one is "literal" as in "Transfigured".

Scripture has both a "Spiritual" and a "literal" application,

as in the "Spiritual Kingdom" (church) Jesus said his servants wouldn't have to fight for, and the "literal Kingdom" which Jesus and his servants will fight for when he returns.

I think you're only "SEEING" half of the scripture?