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Actually what I wrote was, "no influential textbooks." I don't deny that Pink had influence. But frankly, I believe that influence would be almost exclusively among those Baptists of Calvinistic bent. Strong, however, through his systematic theology, theologically influenced all branches of Baptists. And that's my two yen worth!Originally posted by PastorSBC1303:
No influential books?
How about:
Sovereignty of God; Why Four Gospels?; The Redeemers Return; The Law and the Saint; The Godhood of God; The Divine Inspiration of the Bible; and Comfort for Christians
Just curious and off topic - is that unusual for Mid-America Seminary? I looked at their site and it mentioned "We believe that a New Testament church is a voluntary association of baptized believers in Christ who have covenanted together to follow the teachings of the New Testament in doctrine, worship, and practice." I noticed no mention of the universal church.Originally posted by Rhetorician:
Roy O. Beaman...was of the Landmark persuasion.
In what I assume is the intent of the question, I think I will answer B. H. Carroll. He seems to have been influential in several directions among Baptists. I don't think I've been overly impressed with one much above another as far as the 20th century goes. If you were asking 19th, I might say John Leadley Dagg - and John Gill for the 18th.Originally posted by Erasmus:
Who do you consider the greatest Baptist theologian of the twentieth century?
Actually what I wrote was, "no influential textbooks." I don't deny that Pink had influence. But frankly, I believe that influence would be almost exclusively among those Baptists of Calvinistic bent. Strong, however, through his systematic theology, theologically influenced all branches of Baptists. And that's my two yen worth!Originally posted by John of Japan:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by PastorSBC1303:
No influential books?
How about:
Sovereignty of God; Why Four Gospels?; The Redeemers Return; The Law and the Saint; The Godhood of God; The Divine Inspiration of the Bible; and Comfort for Christians
You need to quit reading those liberals. I don't know of any leading SBC theologian today who "debates" homosexuality's sinfulness, nor, for that matter any independent.Originally posted by Mark Osgatharp:
Discussions like this almost invariably center around well known figures who were either seminary/university professors or writers (and usually men who were both). That assumes that the "greatest theologian" of a certain period will be from among the popular and well known acedemians.
Whatever else you might say about the "theologians" of the 20th century - even the supposedly conservative ones - most of them laid up in bed with infidels and modernists and thus facilitated the wholesale theological rape of the Baptist denomination.
Baptist acedemia went into the 20th century debating the inerrancy of the Scriptures and came out debating the rightness or wrongness of sexual perversion. That ought to tell you a little about the whole ungodly and sordid affair.
Mark Osgatharp
I have heard the name, but Charles Blair probably knows more than me--he's been around here since the late 50's, and was the VP at Mid Continent years ago.Originally posted by Rhetorician:
Major B,
One who influenced me at MABTS and was influential in W. KY was Roy O. Beaman.
Is he still known in W. KY?
And the dear old many was of the Landmark persuasion.
sdg!
rd
Packer, MacArthur and Boice are all Calvinists, and none are Baptists, proving my point. That leaves us with Elmer Towns, hardly an expert on theology, IMO. Hmm, is that now 4 yen?Originally posted by Major B:
Elmer Towns is no calvinist, and he said that Pink's Exposition of John was the best commentary ever done on that book. J.I. Packer, Montgomery Boice, John MacArthur, and others freely quote Pink.
Well, as much as I like Criswell, his word is not final for me. I'd have to hear Mac himself say he was Baptist, and he ain't gonna do that!Originally posted by Major B:
W.A. Criswell said that Mac most certainly was a Baptist, albeit by another name.
What other Baptist theologians are freely quoted by highly influential conservative theologians outside Baptist confines?
The problem with Pink for academics is that they hate the fact that he made heavy theology accessible for the common folk.
Packer, MacArthur and Boice are all Calvinists, and none are Baptists, proving my point. That leaves us with Elmer Towns, hardly an expert on theology, IMO. Hmm, is that now 4 yen?Originally posted by John of Japan:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Major B:
Elmer Towns is no calvinist, and he said that Pink's Exposition of John was the best commentary ever done on that book. J.I. Packer, Montgomery Boice, John MacArthur, and others freely quote Pink.
Okay, Brice, I'll have to flip here. Thanks for the information. Sorry, I didn't know those things about Dr. Towns. Comes of being a little isolated over here in Japan, I guess (my only excuseOriginally posted by Brice:
John,
I wonder why you feel this way about Elmer Towns? I will admit I do have a positive bias due to my personal opinion of Dr. Towns, but disregarding this, he is still a strong theologian. He was the Co-founder of Liberty University and his books are used to teach most of the undergrad theology and Bible classes (the general ed religion courses). I would assume if Dr.Towns is a sub-par theologian then most LU undergrads will be as well. I hope this is not the case and I would urge you to read some of his work if you have not done so. God bless.
Okay, Brice, I'll have to flip here. Thanks for the information. Sorry, I didn't know those things about Dr. Towns. Comes of being a little isolated over here in Japan, I guess (my only excuseOriginally posted by John of Japan:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Brice:
John,
I wonder why you feel this way about Elmer Towns? I will admit I do have a positive bias due to my personal opinion of Dr. Towns, but disregarding this, he is still a strong theologian. He was the Co-founder of Liberty University and his books are used to teach most of the undergrad theology and Bible classes (the general ed religion courses). I would assume if Dr.Towns is a sub-par theologian then most LU undergrads will be as well. I hope this is not the case and I would urge you to read some of his work if you have not done so. God bless.
Pete gets my vote too.Originally posted by Pete Richert:
Pete Richert hands down.
I didn't say that all the acedemic "theologians" endorsed perversion any more than I said that they all questioned the inerrancy of the Scriptures.Originally posted by Major B:
You need to quit reading those liberals. I don't know of any leading SBC theologian today who "debates" homosexuality's sinfulness, nor, for that matter any independent.
Piper, Mohler, Patterson, Whitney, Erikson, Grudem, MacArthur, Stanley--the list could go on--no one I read teaches this. What the CBF and ABC do is of no concern, because there are individual states with more conservative Baptists than all their members put together.
Then Rice is out as well.Originally posted by John of Japan:
To me, the OP points to someone influential among all Baptists.
Mark, you are comitting an error of logic. (IIRC, it's the undistributed middle)Originally posted by Mark Osgatharp:
SNIP
As for the northern Baptists, they are full steam ahead with modernism.
Mark Osgatharp
full steam ahead with modernism