Greek experts are tools, not infallible men

[preacher4truth]

LOL. BUT . . .

Please do NOT call someone like him a "fundamentalist". Those who attack the inspired God-breathed words (ie for slow learners, the Greek) are condemned by God. Don't demean the whole group by those who lie about what the fundamentals are and teach unbiblical gibberish.

Dr. Bob nails it and describes our incessantly inflammatory guest.

 

[DrJamesAch]

Dr. Bob nails it and describes our incessantly inflammatory guest.

Do you ever have anything original, or are you just...... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QgeDOxEf-4o

 

[Edward63]

It is interesting that you are desiring to pursue a rather technical discussion of a language you don't know. While I'm sure myself and several others can, and do, have the tools to guide this discussion, some acquaintance with Greek is certainly a good thing to have for this. Particularly to understand how it operates and uses words.

PnJ, I got to thinking about what you stated and did not wish others to be frightened off from such "technical" resources. Conclusions and some logic can be understood even apart from a knowledge of the Greek. As an example, you mentioned that the BDAG somehow softened or lessened its view of modern homosexuality. I saw it just the opposite on malkos. I will do a copy/paste of a small section of the BDAG and then a copy/paste of Heinrich Meyer of 19th century Germany. Which was the more strict on male on male sex sins?

BDAG -
"2 pert. to being passive in a same-sex relationship, effeminate esp. of catamites, of men and boys who are sodomized by other males in such a relationship, opp. ἀρσενοκοίτης...1 Cor 6:9 (‘male prostitutes’ NRSV is too narrow a rendering; ‘sexual pervert’ REB is too broad"

I do not know Greek, but I can understand that conclusion from Dr. Danker in the BDAG. Then, I can go back to a more rigid and puritanical age and read another Greek scholar on the same word, Dr. Meyer who does not think malakos refers to a male to male sexual sin.

"μαλακοί] effeminates, commonly understood as qui muliebria patiuntur, but with no sufficient evidence from the usage of the language (the passages in Wetstein and Kypke, even Dion. Hal. vii. 2, do not prove the point); moreover, such catamites (molles) were called πόρνοι or κίναιδοι. One does not see, moreover, why precisely this sin should be mentioned twice over in different aspects. Rather therefore: effeminate luxurious livers."
http://www.studylight.org/com/hmc/view.cgi?bk=45&ch=6

So, laymen may not be able to read the Greek and understand the Greek grammar, but we do have access to those who can and do. PnJ, don't discourage us from the available tools we have to protect ourselves from heretics, the most notorious of which go door to door and spout their supposed Greek knowledge.