Guard uses Taser on man holding newborn

[standingfirminChrist]

moond, If the hospital staff refused to allow the parents to leave with their infant, could possible charges of abduction be brought up in the future?

 

[moondg]

Have you been shot with one? Trust me it injures you IT HURTS. It is a form of restraint.
1. Voice commands
2. physical restraint
3. Pepper spray (chemical)
4. baton or light
5. taser
6. Gun
I do not think the hospital can keep you there against your will unless you are under arrest.
He was not acting as a officer. He was a security guard to protect people in the hospital. Who was in danger.

I do not think the hospital could press charges. For what it was his child. That does not mean a lawyer could not come up with something.

I am not saying we should not use tasers. They work well I am just saying I do not think that situation warranted it. Now the more you hear about the more we will understand about it. With the information that was in the article I (this is just me and our policies) would not have used the taser.

 

[faithgirl46]

I read that it is possible that the taser hitthe baby.
Faithgirl

 

[standingfirminChrist]

If it did indeed hit the baby, then charges could be possibly brought against the security guard, the hospital, and even the police department for not properly training the off duty police officer in ways to handle situations such as this.

 

[moondg]

The way I hear it they shot the man in the back. They did not hit the baby the man fell on the baby

 

[redbelt]

Have you been shot with one? Trust me it injures you IT HURTS. It is a form of restraint.
1. Voice commands
2. physical restraint
3. Pepper spray (chemical)
4. baton or light
5. taser
6. Gun
I do not think the hospital can keep you there against your will unless you are under arrest.
He was not acting as a officer. He was a security guard to protect people in the hospital. Who was in danger.

I do not think the hospital could press charges. For what it was his child. That does not mean a lawyer could not come up with something.

I am not saying we should not use tasers. They work well I am just saying I do not think that situation warranted it. Now the more you hear about the more we will understand about it. With the information that was in the article I (this is just me and our policies) would not have used the taser.

MOON,

It's good to get another officers perspective on this. Arrest is not always a requirement for detainment in a medical facility. If I person is considered impaired or a danger to oneself, they can be detained for their own safety.

I would hope there would be specific protocols for these situations and what their guards are expected to do. If he exceeded those protocols he's in trouble.

There are so many questions that I have regarding this incident. I would never think that simply because this was the supposed father that he posed no risk to the life of this infant. Fathers have killed their children before.

Secondly, I don't know the time frame or specific chain of events to know if this officer was rushed into his decision. None the less, as a professional, I would hope that he considered his actions to be less of a risk to all involved as opposed to letting this person walk out of his own free will.

Hopefully more information will come out in the days ahead. I guess i would have hoped his fellow officer would have been in a postion to grab or support the baby as the father was hit with the taser, but I just don't know how much time they would have had to consider that.

 

[standingfirminChrist]

The fact remains that the elevators would not open because of the signal from the baby. There was no real danger of the man leaving that floor with the baby.

The officer used unnecessary force.

 

[Bro. Curtis]

The man put himself and the baby in danger by not letting security people be in charge.

My not-so-humble opinion.

 

[Hope of Glory]

The hospital staff acted incorrectly not the officers.

I would not even say the hospital acted incorrectly, based on the informatoin in the article.

The wristbands and alarms are there for a reason. Abducted babies (for which the hospital would be sued), etc. Perhaps there was a legal reason. Parents of a FAS baby would not be permitted to leave the hospital with their baby.

The thing being, that the parents went to that hospital, agreed to their rules, then wanted to violate those rules.

The cop was simply doing his duty to the best of his ability.

 

[Hope of Glory]

It's good to get another officers perspective on this. Arrest is not always a requirement for detainment in a medical facility. If I person is considered impaired or a danger to oneself, they can be detained for their own safety.

The article did state that the parents have a violent history.

 

[Hope of Glory]

The fact remains that the elevators would not open because of the signal from the baby. There was no real danger of the man leaving that floor with the baby.

The officer used unnecessary force.

Stairs and emergency exits are required by law, unless there's some exemption for hospitals.

 

[2 Timothy2:1-4]

I would not even say the hospital acted incorrectly, based on the informatoin in the article.

The wristbands and alarms are there for a reason. Abducted babies (for which the hospital would be sued), etc. Perhaps there was a legal reason. Parents of a FAS baby would not be permitted to leave the hospital with their baby.

The thing being, that the parents went to that hospital, agreed to their rules, then wanted to violate those rules.

The cop was simply doing his duty to the best of his ability.

Rules of hospitals are not laws. When the parents requested to discharge the child that should have been the end of it. Had they repected the parents and done as they asked this would not have happened.

 

[pinoybaptist]

Rules of hospitals are not laws. When the parents requested to discharge the child that should have been the end of it. Had they repected the parents and done as they asked this would not have happened.

It's a funny world, topsy-turvy and all that.
A violent criminal must be negotiated with so he doesn't get killed, and things end peacefully.
A suspect just says "I want a lawyer", and the officers cannot question him anymore.
A parent wants his child out of the hospital, and can't have his child, and he gets tasered and it's his fault the baby's hurt, because of hospital rules, which as you pointed out, are not laws.
A white man can't use phrases only a black man uses, if he does, he's out of a job.
Black teenagers in New York beat up a 17 year old Filipino girl in a MTA bus in front of the driver because she looks Chinese, and that ain't racism.


Lawd ha' mehcy.

 

[2 Timothy2:1-4]

Black teenagers in New York beat up a 17 year old Filipino girl in a MTA bus in front of the driver because she looks Chinese, and that ain't racism.


Lawd ha' mehcy.

A black counsel woman from Orlando said "Black people cannot even be racist. They do not have enough insitutional power to be racist".

 

[redbelt]

The article did state that the parents have a violent history.

Just a couple notes....

I heard tonight that the man was hit in the chest with the taser and the child was not hit by it. Also, the news report said that the father had made threats against the mother and the child within the past week.

I have no clue if that information was given to the guards or not, but it does make it more interesting... STAY TUNED...

 

[Bro. Williams]

I have heard multiple accounts that the father was either violent or had made threats... where is the proof?

 

[KenH]

Rules of hospitals are not laws. When the parents requested to discharge the child that should have been the end of it.

I agree with 2 Timothy2:1-4. :thumbs:

 

[Hope of Glory]

I have no clue if that information was given to the guards or not, but it does make it more interesting... STAY TUNED...

Doesn't necessarily have to be given to the guards, though it usually is. If the information is given to the hospital (or if the hospital has heard threats made by the father) if the hospital says, "don't let him leave", then it's the guard's responsibility to not let him leave. If, however, the guards are aware of a person's propensity for violence, they're going to react differently than if it's an average Joe.