Guilt by association...

First let me say that it is refreshing to see that Mr. Vestal and I are on the same page concerning this topic
Secondly, longshot, I would not let my daughters go to a sleepover being held in a house of non-believers, I would not go to an office party where the majority of those in attendance would be non-believers. I stand firmly on II Cor. 6:17 "...come out from among them and be ye separate..." In your case it worked for good, Praise the Lord! But, that is the exception not the rule. I have seen too many "good" people go bad because of the influence of the sinner.
You wouldn't want a rabid dog around the house, why would you want to rub shoulders with the unsaved? I'm sure there are a number of christians to fellowship with, reach the lost, spread the gospel, but mingle with the saints.
Stan

 

What exactly does that mean? Are you referring to a version or what? Which one? Just want to know before I respond.
Gina

 

Guy, I did read your second post.
The Baptist Board is not church.
The world is not church.
The BB is not church.
Church is where I go to worship and learn about God. It is a time and place set apart. The rest of the world is the workplace.
Gina

 

No they don't.... Like I said in an earlier answer before, they are doing a mighty fine job. If I was still on the other side of the coin, I would be proud of how they have done with you.

If it keeps you from Satans influence to disrupt God's plan, Yes. And what if the Anti-Christ were on the board? Defend him too because he is such a nice guy?</font>[/QUOTE]What exactly have they done with me? And HOW are they rubbing off on me? What have I said or done for you to come to whatever conclusion you're coming to? Because I stand up for God still? Because I don't run from their questions anymore? Because I give a reason for what I believe instead of ignoring them?

When have I defended their beliefs?
You've made some serious accusations about me. Defend them.
Gina

 

Hi Guy,
You have raised some good points. I have posted in the Other Religions forum, probably more than in any other place on this board, and that is just as bad as the Free For All Forum, where many of the atheists post. In both areas people are posting heretical doctrine. I find it challenging to answer another's post. We are commanded:
1Pet.3:15 But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear:
Jude 3 Ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.

I have learned much from this board, simply by being in a position where I have had to defend my faith. I myself have been teaching for some years now. But the teacher always learns more than the students. The Lord expects the same of us. "Be ready always to give an answer to every man."
Like Helen, I have received some emails that have encouraged me to keep posting, because something I may have said was an encouragement to them, or helped them in some way. I look at it as a mission field or an opportunity that one would not otherwise have.
DHK

 

..But, I don't believe we should have a relationship with non believers the way we would with believers.&gt;&gt;

You mean like Jesus had with Judas?

HankD

 

The Pharisees and the Sadduccees despised Jesus because as each gospel states he ate with sinners.
With publicans, tax collectors and with HARLOTS.

Jesus told them that the sick need a physician so he came to take care of the sin sick world.

I think eating with sinners is the same thing as fellowshipping with them.

Let's not forget the prostitute that came to Simon the Pharisees home and anointed Jesus feet with oil. THis really angered the religious leaders.

One of the twelve disciples was Judas Iscariot who not only betrayed Jesus but the Bible called him a thief. That he stole from the purse. Another disciple was Simon who history said belonged to the Zealots. A band of men who murdered and pillaged. Whose leader Barrabbas was set free while Jesus was crucified.

One of the women that followed Jesus, Mary Magdalene at one time had had 7 demons in her. Jesus also sat down with an adulteress woman in Samaria and had a long discussion with her. She had been married 5 times and now living with someone.

Did not David leave Israel to escape King Saul and went to Philistia. The enemies of Israel.
Pagans. Idol Worshipers. Here he dwelt for a few years among unbelievers.

When we were told to separate ourselves from the world this was talking about the way we act, dress, talk etc. God knows we are in this world we just are not of this world.

We are the light unto this wicked world and Jesus told us not to hide our light from the world and that is exactly what you are telling us to do.

If a person is a true believer no unbeliever or atheist or pagan is going to sway our beliefs but the Holy Spirit through us may reach to their souls.

Jesus went to Zachaeus home, a tax collector.
Jesus called another disciple, Matthew the tax collector.

I don't think Jesus literally separated himself from unbelievers or pagans but he was in the very midst of them. He was known as the FRIEND OF SINNERS.

 

Yes, but... Jesus was GOD. He could not be led to sin. We as mere mortals must have a bit more caution, why else would He say come out from among them and be ye separate?
Again, witnessing is one thing... fellowship is another.

 

Assisting in furthering Satan's agenda is ok?

Actually, the ones you are befriending are the "clever" ones. They use Baptist Board bandwidth to spead satan's word. It goes in the archives to be forever written? Again, what if they were in your church preaching Satan's doctrine? Are they still ok?
are not?

I see...</font>[/QUOTE]Baptist Board is not a church. It is a message board created primarily for Baptists, but with forums for non-Baptists and even non-Christians.

There's a world of difference between the two.

Since it's not up to you whether or not they're allowed here, you have two choices.

One is to ignore them. The other is to engage them (respectfully!) in the arena of ideas.

Either one is perfectly acceptable and I would respect your decision either way.

If you think that Christians should lock themselves in a closet and create some Christian ghetto, then that's fine but that's not what God has called me to do.

If the Christians God had sent to me before I knew Him took the attitude you do, I still might not know Jesus.

Mike

http://www.keylife.org

http://www.randystonehill.com

 

Psalm 46:1 and 2
God is our refuge and strength,
A very present help in trouble.
Therefore we will not fear,
Even though the earth be removed,
And though the mountains be carried into the midst of the sea;

I do not fear unbelievers, I do not fear that unbelievers can take me from God.

The Holy Bible, from beginning to end, over and over tells us God will preserve us always. Trust, faith and prayer are God's tools.
Sue

 

GV: Neither one of my posts had to do with the bible. Your quickness to throw in an irrelevant quote, and lack of even an attempt at original thought gives me the impression of you being one who follows along with the in crowd, it would be the same as a "mee too" or an "amen" without even considering the original post. Your comment was to impress, nothing more. I wasn't impressed, so I called you on it.

Gina: Your original posts looked as if you were trying to convey the idea that being in the other forums that weren't Baptist only is wrong. Later, the verse in Corinthians was used as support of your idea. I believe that the verses meaning was mis-represented to fit the situation, or never was studied in its proper context. If you're going to throw out definitions of right and wrong, be ready to have the Bible involved if I'm involved.
Meant to impress, and to follow the "in" crowd? Read again. None of the posts up to my first one seemed to be leading up to what I posted. They were more toward your thinking. I posted what I did because I believe it to be true. I used a cliche because it fit what I wanted to say. In case you haven't noticed I don't care much for the opinions of others. I will consider the possiblity that I'm wrong on anything, but my conclusion will have to be based on what I believe the scriptures say.

Again, YES, I read your second post. Thank you for your concern. I do exercise caution in dealing with any non-Christian and will take a break if I know it's wearing on me spiritually.

GV: So your learning about God, and Worshippping him exists ONLY on Sunday? (etc)

Gina: No. I try to make it 24/7. However, Sunday is a time when we get separate physically and get a break and can focus and worship and learn more and be renewed, more so than during the rest of the week. The rest of the week, we worship him by obeying the commandment to GO. NOT clustering up and hiding from those we are supposed to be witnessing to. Apart from church, we are among the world, although separated spiritually. The world is NOT our home. No, it is not church.

GV: Look at your posts, listen to what you say. You are falling into the "Herd Mentality" that they claim runs so rampant in christians today! You throw out cliche's/quotes that have have nothing to do with the thread. You are acting as if you are one of the "Joneses". It is what they feed on, a persons need for acceptance.

Gina: I believe I rarely use cliches. Feel free to tell me some specific posts of mine that are wrong or show that I'm falling or agreeing with anything non-Christian. Please. If you really want to help you would have posted right after mine and pointed it out.

You said I am defending them. I don't see it. Again, how? Where? What did I say?
I fall into their hands when they bait? People everywhere try to bait and make fools of Christians. As long as I believe that one of them is sincere, I guess I'll be a fool for Christ and continue trying to get the truth across. Even if someone DOES bait you, what you answered them will be remembered, and perhaps thought seriously about later.

GV: You defend their attempts to destroy the NT church, and its commission.

Gina: WHERE?? HOW??
If I have been doing this, I need to know! I thought I was trying to share/defend it.
Who else has seen me doing this, because if that's how I'm coming across it's not good at all, and I need to know where and how I'm doing it so it can stop immediately.
If I am, I fully expect the people of Christ to point it out to me. If more than just you do that, I've obviously got a problem. I'll be waiting.