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Gun Ownership ... and my prediction!

Matt Black

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Gotta love the internet. Anybody can claim to be anything.

Over on CARM, we've got a guy who doesn't know the difference between the prone and supine positions, but claims to be a doctor, a person who doesn't know what an MLA or APA citation is, but claims to be an "editor of academic journals", a guy who thinks the General Welfare Clause refers to government entitlement programs, but claims to be a lawyer, an atheist who claims to have been a Christian pastor, but doesn't know even the most basic elements of Christian doctrine.

Of course, I don't believe they are those things any more than I believe somebody who doesn't understand the purpose or nature of the 2nd Amendment and thinks "tell me how it's not" is a valid defense for his claim that Luke 22:36 is metaphorical has a law degree.
1. I've given you the defence now. You still haven't answered by question.
2. Do you believe I'm a lawyer or a liar? Enquiring minds wish to know...
 

JohnDeereFan

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1. I've given you the defence now.

"How is it not" is not a defense.

You still haven't answered by question.

And I explained to you why I would not answer, because you refused to answer my question and I don't feel any obligation to answer someone's questions who will not show me the courtesy of answering mine.

2. Do you believe I'm a lawyer or a liar? Enquiring minds wish to know...

Based on your posts, I do believe you're lying.
 

Matt Black

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I have answered your question. Now kindly answer mine.

I note you have called me a liar and, like Rev Mitchell, are now reduced to personal insults which do neither of you any credit whatsoever as men, still less as Christians. I have therefore taken note of both of you.

As you have impugned my honour, I have no choice but to 'out' myself - kindly Google 'Starbuck and Mack Solicitors' or my professional profile here, and I await your apology.
 

Earth Wind and Fire

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OK, apart from target shooting, all of your list involve inflicting death or injury as the purpose. I rest my case.

[cp with John Deere Fan, to whom: Jesus made it clear to the disciples that He was talking metaphorically when He rebuked them immediately afterwards for showing Him their swords. Right, that's your question answered, now please answer mine. As to my neighbour's right to defend himself (a) that's why we have a police force and (b) what about my right not to feel threatened by having a gun-toting guy living next door to me??!!!!]

Matt....police do not defend you. Rather thay come a calling to fill out the paperwork after the homicide. Generally during an assault, you had better realize you have to either : run if you can, stand and be assaulted, or defend yourself. A weapon used for defence is a tool to both take a life (the offender) and perserve a life.....technically yours & as well as other bystanders.
 

Matt Black

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And yet neither I nor indeed anyone I know has felt the slightest desire (not in my case since I was about 10 years old) to possess a gun, yet we do not feel unsafe. Explain that!
 

JohnDeereFan

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I have answered your question. Now kindly answer mine.

I did answer yours.

I note you have called me a liar and, like Rev Mitchell, are now reduced to personal insults

Actually, I never personally insulted you. I just pointed out that, based onel your posts, I do not believe you're an attorney.

which do neither of you any credit whatsoever as men, still less as Christians. I have therefore taken note of both of you.

Oh, no! I've been taken note of??? However shall I go on.

As you have impugned my honour, I have no choice but to 'out' myself - kindly Google 'Starbuck and Mack Solicitors' or my professional profile here, and I await your apology.

And you'll be waiting quite a while. Anybody can claim to be anything on the internet.
 

Matt Black

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Do you acknowledge I'm a lawyer or not? Do you retract the insult of accusing me of lying or not (to try to wriggle out of that being a personal insult is very poor show on your part)?
 

OnlyaSinner

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The vitriol by some in this thread is unfortunate, and the fact that someone from another nation who apparently does not fully understand (or perhaps merely cannot agree with) the American history concerning firearms, should not be cause for unkind words.

My two cents ([probably worth even less):
--The "right to bear arms" comes immediately after the 1st amendment guarantees of multiple freedoms, so the framers of the Bill of Rights must have thought it very important. Hence many Americans still think it important, along with the rest of the Constitution.

--The U.S. Supreme Court has judged that the 2nd amendment includes individual arms, not just organized militia. That's no guarantee of rectitude, as many Americans disagree with Roe v. Wade, though a comparison between the ruling on a specific constitutional amendment and a judicial stretch of an amendment is apples/oranges. (IMO, applying to abortion the right to privacy under the due process clause of the 14th is a tragic stretch.)

--For folks with ready access to hunting opportunities, it's a time to be out in nature with a chance to obtain some chemical-free (or nearly so), low-fat meat without paying for someone else to dispatch the animal. (Attornety Black's excepting sporting uses from his anti-gun stance is noted.)
 
You didn't get it from me.... the heat came from two Baptist pastors.
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Sorry. Kidding. Couldn't resist.
 

Sapper Woody

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Do you acknowledge that I am Lrrr, Ruler of the Planet Omicron Persei 8?

Just call me Frye.

Back on topic, guns have numerous uses. Killing or injuring are on there, yes. But as has been pointed out, the killing or injuring is used to preserve innocent life (I am keeping my discussion about law abiding citizens, not criminals).

Besides shooting humans, there's hunting. There are so many hunting seasons that I don't even know them all. But let's use a few basic groups. Shotgun deer, rifle deer, bird, and hog seasons. OK, now shooting a human drops to only 20% of a gun's purpose.

Personally, cleaning a weapon is a very relaxing time. I use cleaning weapons as a way to get my mind off the world, and it helps having a familiar task to thwart PTSD episodes. So, killing drops to 17% of the uses.

Proper gun control and care is an exercise in discipline. It's used in military training, but also parents teaching their children responsibility. So, killing is down to 14%.

Now, we enter sport shooting. There's sniper challenges, skeet shooting, quick draw, trick shots, and more.

So, as you can see, shooting a human is less than 10% of a weapon's uses.

Besides this, it comes down to a basic freedom. The right to bear arms is guaranteed the American people. To take that right is an infringement, and the beginning of a slippery slope.
 
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