Guns and People

[th1bill]

I'm happy to accept that all twenty of those children are or may be in eternity with God. I trust in God as the ultimate judge of the soul.

Again, I'll emphasize the point that I believe that the parents of those deceased would probably argue with your point that; "The children the Newtown shooter killed are much better off than the children hacked with the hatchet in China."

Do you also believe that death in hell is as eternal as life in God's prescience is?

As to your "speculation" about the numbers of saved, only 2% or less than;

You are wrong, you're not in contention with me over this, you are disputing a nation wide Church Survey done in the mid-eighties y the Barna Group. There is actually no reason to dislike the survey, no, ideed! To the Saved Man, Woman, or child, it places them in the middle of the Mission Field each and every Sunday.

Distraction done?

In my home church, it's membership of about 400, (active is all I'll concern myself with here) your formula would allow for only our four pastors and maybe three of their four wives to be saved. That small number from the entire body. None of their children, grandchildren, extended families, no one else if the statistics are correct. So that must assume that those saved shepherds of God are absolutely ineffective at performing their roles in the Great Commission. I'm going out on a limb here and hoping that my home church is a statistical anomaly and will say that maybe a whopping 4% (that's a 100% increase) were saved, that would mean realistically the fundamentalist church down the road had 0% saved. Or pick another somewhere else.

All that to say that I strongly disagree with your stats. The dimensions of the New Heaven alone (I have my own personal mansion in there somewhere) evidence a vast, unimaginable multitude that would far exceed any that your numbers, speculative or not, give the lie to.

 

[th1bill]

You must live in the wrong place. I know many places to hunt. One of the things the NRA is big on is gun education. The people that guard the president are no smarter than I am. If I see a bad guy shooting good guys, I know who to shoot.

I, so, dislike Ditto Heads but, "DITTO."

 

[Monster]

I don't know why you would enter into a conversational exchange with me since you, so, dislike the truth. And once more, it is you that calls your salvation into question as you build your straw man to ride down. I listed the logical assumptions I make of all the people including the moderators and with the understanding that the same assumptions apply to me.

Disagreeing with me condems nobody, disagreeing with scripture will do that. Here, with the children, you are fighting Baptist Theology with your uncertainty of the destination of the children in Eternity. And with your projected idea of the finality of the natural death by the failure to recognise the fact that they did not die and are not in Hell, you are in conflict with the Word of God.

You really need to work on reading comprehension. You also might want to work on how you equate your personal take on things to God's truth. Your first sentence encapsulates my point.

What straw man?

What logical assumptions? That's nearly, but not definitely oxymoronic.

How many different iterations or which of the Baptist theologies are you referring to?

God alone knows where the souls of those children abide. I personally believe they reside with him as it seems, you do as well. They didn't however die in a bubble. There's a lot more cause and effect than, here to there in a twinkling.

If you ever meet a parent of a lost child, I hope you're able to express sentiments beyond "they're better off dead." Of course I'm operating on the assumption that though any parent would be joyful to know their little one was residing with the Everlasting Father, they'd prefer to live a long and meaningful life before that transition, transpired.

 

[Monster]

th1bill, I concede.

This dialogue we're attempting to have is either bearing no fruit at best or rotten fruit, which is unfortunate. I don't see either as edifying or beneficial. It feels more and more like a monologue, no matter how we proceed.

Maybe one day we'll learn how to communicate better with one another, until then I'll do my best in the future to avoid your threads. I do not want or intend to offend you. If I have up to this point, I offer my apologies.

Until then...