Happenstance or Divine Plan?

[Deacon]

In the begining God created the heaven and the earth.
And the earth was without form, and void;
and darkness was upon the face of the deep.
And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
And God said, let there be light:
and there was light.

These are the first three verses from the KJV (1769).
Select any of the 10 words in the first verse: "In the begining God created the heaven and the earth".

Count the number of letters in the chosen word.

Starting with your word, jump ahead the number of letters in the word.

Count the letters in the word you landed upon. Jump ahead the nember of letters in that word. Keep dong this until you reach the third verse.

What word do you land on?

(For example)
Pick the word "earth" (5 letters).
Jump ahead five words and count the number of letters in the word, "without" (7 letters).
Jump ahead seven words to the next word, "upon".
Count the letters, (4), jump ahead to the next word, "the".
Continue until you reach verse three.

Is this by Happenstance or Divine Plan?

Rob

 

[robycop3]

Happenstance.

Other versions of the Bible in English read differently, not to mention, those in other languages.

There are no such animules as "Bible codes" any more than there are valid "Da Vinci Codes".

 

[Dr. Bob]

[cue: theme from "The Twilight Zone"]

Okay, let's say you're driving a bus through town.
At the first stop five people get on
Next stop, 17 get on and 3 leave
Third stop, 8 get off but 11 get on
Fourth stop, 4 hop on and 6 off
Fifth stop, 8 new riders and only 0ne gets off
Sixth, 4 more on, but 20 off
Final stop, no new riders but 12 get off.

Now, how old is the bus driver?

 

[Dr. Bob]

Now try it with the 1611 and see how the "code" works -

In the beginning God created the Heauen, and the Earth.
And the earth was without forme, and voyd, and darkenesse was vpon the face of the deepe: and the Spirit of God mooued vpon the face of the waters.
And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.

It isn't working for me. But the word picture that God "mooued" (before He created cows) brought a smile.

 

[Ransom]

"God heaven earth void upon the the God"

Doesn't even qualify as "happenstance." It's gibberish.

 

[Ed Edwards]

Doesn't even qualify as "happenstance." It's gibberish.

Amen, Brother Ransom -- Preach it!!
This is on the same order as casting a star chart
(astrology). Made by fools to fool other fools.

:Fish:

 

[Bro Tony]

I'm thinking we may need an interpreter for the tongues you just expressed Bro Ransom!!!!!!:smilewinkgrin:

Bro Tony

 

[Deacon]

Happenstance or Divine Plan - Answer

The right answer is always "God" ... even a three year old knows that!

It works with the KJV and the NAS,
(can we therefore presume they are inspired?)

It fails in the NKJV and the NIV...need I say more!

So...
Happenstance or Divine plan?

A little of both.

God in his infinite wisdom created the imutable laws of mathematics.

This trick follows a principle known as Kruskal's Count.
"When the total number of letters in a text is significantly greater than the number of letters in the longest word, it is likely that any two arbitrarily started word chains will intersect at a key word."
....divine plan!

But happenstance, that it happens to be the word, "God".

Some rather amazing card tricks are based upon this mathematical principle.

http://oldweb.cecm.sfu.ca/cgi-bin/organics/carddemo.pl

Rob

 

[robycop3]

Didja know that two German-speaking Swedes sat down with a computer and "Mein Kampf" & created more "Biblical"names/words than they did outta the Luther's Bible?

All happenstance.

 

[Ransom]

The right answer is always "God" ... even a three year old knows that!

"In beginning the without upon deep of moved waters be."

Nope, guess that isn't true either.

 

[Deacon]

Happenstance...

Ranson poor one :flower:, let me walk you through this. :tongue3:

You picked "In" (two letters).
Starting with "In" move two words, reaching the word "the" (three letters).

From "the" move three words, reaching the word "created" (seven letters).

From "created" move seven words to the word "the" (three letters).

Move three words to the word "without" (seven letters).

Move seven letters to the word "upon" (four letters).

Move four words to the word "the" (three letters).

Move three words to the word "the" (three letters).

Move three words to the word "God" (three letters).

Move three words to the word "the" (three letters).

Move three words to the word "the" (three letters).

Move three words to the word "GOD" raise:
This is word you land on in verse three of Genesis 1, so by the rules we stop here.:thumbs:

Should work with any word in the first verse.

Rob

 

[standingfirminChrist]

Any of the ten words, when following the specified orders do end with God in the third verse. My question would be thus...

What is yer point?

 

[Deacon]

Happenstance...

My point?

In this evenings Bible study group we were going over a passage in 1 Chronicles 21 and comparing it to the parallel passage in 2 Samuel 24.

Of interest was the phrase, 'the LORD was sorry or He repented' (vs15).
I thought (correctly) that it might lead into a discussion on free will vs. predestination.

So, before we started... as an ice breaker, I introduced this simple game/trick.

You see, no matter how we think we can change God or alter circumstances, God always is in control and knows the outcome. :thumbs:

Rob

 

[Ransom]

Deacon said:

You picked "In" (two letters).
Starting with "In" move two words, reaching the word "the" (three letters).

Bzzzzt! So much for your theory. "the" is one word in from "In," not two.

Gibberish remains gibberish.

 

[Deacon]

I disagree but am willing to concede the point.
Let's follow it through.

You picked "In" (two letters).
Starting with "In" move two words, reaching the word "begining" (eight letters).

From "begining" move eight words, reaching the word "And" (three letters).

From "And" move three words to the word "was" (three letters).

Move three words to the word "and" (three letters).

Move three words to the word "darkness" (seven letters).

Move seven words to the word "deep" (four letters).

Move four words to the word "of" (two letters).

Move two words to the word "moved" (five letters).

Move five words to the word "the" (three letters).

Move three words to the word "GOD" raise:raise:
And... this again is the first word you land on in verse three of Genesis 1, so by the rules we stop here.:thumbsup:

Love your quote, "Though this is madness, yet there is method in't."

Rob

 

[kubel]

Different codes have been pulled from Moby Dick, Mein Kampf, and even technical documentation. It's like an adults version of stirring a bowl of alphabet soup and trying to find words in it.

If you try hard enough, chances are you will find a way to see what you're looking for in just about anything.

It's a nifty little trick, though.

 

[standingfirminChrist]

'Begining' should be spelled 'beginning (nine letters)', which still comes out to the word, 'God' in verse 3.

But still, I am not following what you are trying to say it means.

 

[Mexdeaf]

[cue: theme from "The Twilight Zone"]

Okay, let's say you're driving a bus through town.
At the first stop five people get on
Next stop, 17 get on and 3 leave
Third stop, 8 get off but 11 get on
Fourth stop, 4 hop on and 6 off
Fifth stop, 8 new riders and only 0ne gets off
Sixth, 4 more on, but 20 off
Final stop, no new riders but 12 get off.

Now, how old is the bus driver?

In case someone has not already tried to answer this- he is old enough to drive!:tongue3:

 

[Dr. Bob]

In case someone has not already tried to answer this- he is old enough to drive!:tongue3:

Old Joke. Look at the first line - if YOU were driving a bus.

How old are YOU? raise:

 

[standingfirminChrist]

Dr Bob,

If I were driving that bus, the year would be 1984, because that is the only year and last year I was able to drive before my eyes gave out. That would have made me... lessee... 24 years old since I had not had a b'day that year when I parked my car for good.

If I were driving today? Now that's a joke! lol