I find this an interesting reply. Would you please list sins in order of importance? Thanks.
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I find this an interesting reply. Would you please list sins in order of importance? Thanks.
what if gay marriage becomes law of the USA, Amendment to Constitution?
Binble states to obey the laws of the land, would a Pastor feel obigated to marry such a couple?
Of those Skan listed, Active and practicing homosexual behaviour gravest by far!
canadyjd
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No Christian is obligated to violate their conscious when obeying secular laws.
Exactly what scripture verse are you using to define smoking as a sin? While I certainly don’t think it’s healthy & I could understand that it could hurt your witness if you did it in public—I’m trying to understand why it made your list. (And no I’m not a smoker—lol---just pondering your exegesis)
quantumfaith
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Gabriel, Skan is not providing "exegesis" here, rather he is providing "common" points of consideration and often judgment.
It means we treat different sins of different sinners differently.
Gluttony is not treated the same as homosexuality.
A glutton can be a member of the church.
A practicing homosexual cannot.
Paul stated that sexual sins were on a whole other level from other sins.
Homosexuality is near the top of the perversion level of sexual sins.
The homosexual must repent, renounce his sin and give no reason whatsoever for anyone in the community to think he still embraces it.
Skandelon
<b>Moderator</b>
Can you show me where the scripture specifically say this? I'm not really disagreeing, just asking for support.
Yet gluttons, gossips, materialists, etc don't? I'm just pushing you to explain why one sin is more damning than another when it comes to God's grace and our response to it?
thanks 4 clarifying my brother!It's like about 90% of the rest of Bible teachings. you have to deduce them from comparing Scripture with Scripture and applying wisdom.
For example, in I Corinthians Paul tells the Corinthians to put the young man who is impenitently having an open sexual relationship with his step mother out of the church.
In Romans 1 Paul describes homosexual sin as a particularly heinous sexual sin.
In Corinthians Paul says that sexual sins are on a whole other level than other sins.
So we deduce from that, and other passages that could be brought to bear, that practicing homosexuals must not be permitted in the church membership.
Right, because of what I explained above.
Skandelon
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Actually, it seems that Matt. 18 does instruct us to confront others for their sins and cast them out if they don't repent....and it doesn't limit it to particular sexual sins. Again, not really debating, just trying to discern why one sin is treated differently than others.
No. Matthew 18 is about confronting those who offend you.
The idea almost HAS to be someone who has personally done you wrong in some way because if it were any broader at all, it would open the flood gate and N
NE could be in the church.If Matthew 18 means "Throw them out if they do any sin in their own personal lives if they can't get the victory over it," then nobody could be in the church.
Therefore, it must be more narrow.
For example, my sin that would get me ousted might be gluttony whereas your sin might be inability to admit your wrong (pride). Either way, we could not be in the church and neither could anyone else.
No. Certain sins are impermissible as far as church membership is concerned and others simply are not.
And I think the passages I provided were more than sufficient to undergird the belief that practicing homosexuals should not be permitted in the membership.
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Skandelon
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Suppose a man who has very feminine characteristics and struggles with homosexual desires, but who is a believer and very humble of heart.
And then there is a preacher who is purely heterosexual but who has struggled with lustful desires, and acts as if he knows all the answers and like he really doesn't struggle...prideful.
Doesn't scripture say God gives grace to the humble and despises the proud? Is it really so much about the TYPE of lust or struggle and more about the spirit (poor vs proud) of the man?
And then there is a preacher who is purely heterosexual but who has struggled with lustful desires, and acts as if he knows all the answers and like he really doesn't struggle...prideful.
Doesn't scripture say God gives grace to the humble and despises the proud? Is it really so much about the TYPE of lust or struggle and more about the spirit (poor vs proud) of the man?
What of the pastor whose children are unruly?
Disqualified.
The problem isn't his salvation; it is in the manner in which he rules himself and his house. And one should note that God is not a Feminist. The man rules.
Effeminacy and homosexuality are a perversion of the fundamental element of society, and the manner in which men and women are to interact with one another. Putting one so perverted into an office of the church is a testimony against that order.
Disqualified.
The problem isn't his salvation; it is in the manner in which he rules himself and his house. And one should note that God is not a Feminist. The man rules.
Effeminacy and homosexuality are a perversion of the fundamental element of society, and the manner in which men and women are to interact with one another. Putting one so perverted into an office of the church is a testimony against that order.