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Harris vs Trump Presidential Debate

Discussion in 'Political Debate & Discussion' started by 37818, Sep 11, 2024.

  1. KenH

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    Neither Harris nor Trump are for limited government, such as I am for, in going back to the first constitution of the United States, the Articles of Confederation of 1781. I accept that as a given.
     
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    If I get what you ate saying-

    You will support Harris and expanding big government because while Trump is for limited government his plan does not limit government to the level you want (Articles of Confederation of 1781).

    Since you support big government and increasing the power of the federal government this issue cannot be a factor in your vote.
     
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    My understanding is project 2025 is not Trump's platform.
     
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    It isn't.

    I get the feeling he liked some points but disagreed with others.

    Project 2025 has become liberal propaganda (like Harris' claim Trump called white supermists "fine people", like Hartis' claim Trumpbwould ban abortions, etc.).

    It's anything to trick people out of their vote.

    Trump does the same, though.
     
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    "CNN’s Erin Burnett and Jake Tapper, in particular, have been pulling no punches when it comes to calling her out on some glaring inconsistencies. This all kicked off with Burnett highlighting Andrew Kaczynski’s deep dive into Harris’s responses to a 2019 ACLU questionnaire—especially the part where she endorsed taxpayer-funded gender transition surgeries for detained illegal immigrants. Talk about a political landmine.

    But the more eye-opening moment came when Tapper took his turn at Harris after the debate. Tapper, who’s usually careful in how he critiques Democratic candidates, was surprisingly direct. He pointed out that Harris dodged or “punted” on key questions, especially around the economy—arguably the number one issue on voters’ minds.

    When asked if Americans were better off, she launched into a personal story about being raised in a middle-class family, but never really gave a clear answer on how her plans would help those struggling now. You know, the kind of non-answer that frustrates voters who are dealing with inflation and sky-high prices.

    Tapper didn’t let her off easy. He made it clear that her allies are even acknowledging the need for her to get specific—something she’s apparently still struggling with.

    Then there was her response on the border, where she again avoided answering the real question: What would she do differently than Joe Biden?

    Instead, she trotted out the fact that she’s prosecuted transnational criminals, a claim that Tapper and anyone paying attention finds questionable, given the rise of human smuggling and the billions those gangs have made under the Biden-Harris administration.

    Tapper didn’t stop there. He went after her lack of clarity on the Israel-Hamas conflict as well. When asked what her plan was to resolve the crisis, her response was more of the same: vague promises of working “around the clock” for a ceasefire, but no specifics on how she’d accomplish that.

    What’s striking here is not just that Harris failed to answer these critical questions but that major outlets like CNN—typically seen as friendlier to Democrats—are starting to call her out for it. As Tapper noted, independent voters, who will likely decide the election, weren’t impressed with her performance either. Even ABC reporters, who are usually more sympathetic, echoed similar concerns."
     
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    Energy desk: Harris’ Fracking Howler

    "The Wall Street Journal’s editors wonder why Donald Trump didn’t 'call out' more of Kamala Harris’ debate 'howlers' — such as when she 'sidestepped' on why she’s flip-flopped on her 2019 support for a fracking ban. Instead, Harris boasted of breaking the tie on the Inflation Reduction Act, claiming it 'opened new leases for fracking.'
    Sen. Joe Manchin 'must be laughing,' the editors snark: She’s 'taking credit for a provision' Manchin wrote and Harris’ folks 'tried to sabotage.' She also tried 'to sound like a friend of frackers by saying the U.S. has to ‘reduce our reliance on foreign oil.’ That is this Administration’s code for subsidizing electric vehicles.' Fact is, the US 'fracking boom has taken place despite the Biden-Harris Administration, not because of it.'”
     
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    This isn't quite accurate.

    Trump is for a limited federal government while Harris is for expanding the powers of the federal government.

    Trump has stated that he will substantially down the federal government.

    Harris has stated that she will substantially expand the federal government.

    But neither may want the federal government limited to the degree that you or I would like to see it.
     
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