Harsh interrogation and you?

[righteousdude2]

I think the terrorist attack at the Pakistani school is one example of how ruthless and evil terrorists can be at anyone time. So with that as a backdrop, I want to pose a moral/ethical problem that one day Christians in America could face.

We already know that this administration has taken the moral high ground regarding enhanced interrogation techniques, but let's pose a situation that would mean saving children at a local school depended on getting a captured terrorist to give you the details of an eminent attack at that school. Would you as a Christian, permit these interrogation tactics to avert an attack, or would you be satisfied to take the moral high ground?

What would you personally allow?

My answer is easy: I would say, all bets are off. Save the kids at any moral cost.

 

[blackbird]

I think the terrorist attack at the Pakistani school is one example of how ruthless and evil terrorists can be at anyone time. So with that as a backdrop, I want to pose a moral/ethical problem that one day Christians in America could face.

We already know that this administration has taken the moral high ground regarding enhanced interrogation techniques, but let's pose a situation that would mean saving children at a local school depended on getting a captured terrorist to give you the details of an eminent attack at that school. Would you as a Christian, permit these interrogation tactics to avert an attack, or would you be satisfied to take the moral high ground?

What would you personally allow?

My answer is easy: I would say, all bets are off. Save the kids at any moral cost.

Modern terrorists are beyond the point of being cowardly----IOW---they'd just as soon fly a jet into the school building as they would into the Pentagon

Obama's so called "Moral High ground" ain't nothing but quicksand and swamp!!!!

Waterboard the sapsuckers!!

:type::thumbs::thumbs:

 

[HAMel]

rd2..., the best technique I can think of when it comes to dealing with these terrorists would be to break out Grandpa's WW II M-1, brush the dust off of it, load and lock. Or, consider today's M-16. If they are close enough any shotgun will work just fine. An ACP .45

These folks have no intelligence to begin with so what's the point in trying to glean any from them. They are killers..., plain and simple and you deal with killers by making them die for their cause. Help arrange that meeting between them and their god.

...would I hesitate? Not one bit if under threat. :thumbsup:

 

[Zaac]

IMO, a country that systematically allows police officers to kill unarmed portions of its demographic doesn't have much room to speak to the President about his moral highground.

Situational ethics says to others that there really is something wrong over there.

He's the President. He doesn't have to agree with our ideologies.

 

[righteousdude2]

IMO, a country that systematically allows police officers to kill unarmed portions of its demographic doesn't have much room to speak to the President about his moral highground.

Situational ethics says to others that there really is something wrong over there.

He's the President. He doesn't have to agree with our ideologies.

Many times in the past on this very board, you have accused me of being obsessed with certain topics ... well, the apple doesn't fall very fr from the tree after all. You are stuck on the Ferguson and NY cop topic, and you are the possessed one. Those who judge are often guilty of the things they most often see in others.

This OP is not about your extremist and racial narrative rant, and your segue was poor at best. :laugh:

 

[InTheLight]

What would you personally allow?

I'd go Jack Bauer on them.

 

[righteousdude2]

I'd go Jack Bauer on them.

Great to see we can AGREE ... unless that was sarcasm:smilewinkgrin:

 

[Van]

This thread poses the age old question, do the ends justify the means? The godless left says yes, scripture says no.

Lets once again consider the concept of an enabling scenario, where doing a little wrong results in achieving a great right. Torture one vicious killer of innocents to save tens or hundreds, or in the example of the nuclear bomb scenario, thousands of lives. It is always the same concept.

What did Jesus say, is it right to do wrong in order to get a chance to do right. Do not be lead astray by the clever stories from the Father of lies.

 

[righteousdude2]

This thread poses the age old question, do the ends justify the means? The godless left says yes, scripture says no.

Lets once again consider the concept of an enabling scenario, where doing a little wrong results in achieving a great right. Torture one vicious killer of innocents to save tens or hundreds, or in the example of the nuclear bomb scenario, thousands of lives. It is always the same concept.

What did Jesus say, is it right to do wrong in order to get a chance to do right. Do not be lead astray by the clever stories from the Father of lies.

I accept where you are coming from. However, if the scenario involved you or a loved one, you may be surprised at the flesh rising up within you, brother, and I trust God to forgive you for allowing your flesh to gain the upper hand. The truth is, you probably fall several times a day, and God still covers those sins. You and I are not infallible. We can't be expected to be anything but human, because we are, which is why Jesus came and died. For sins past, present and future. To deny His ability to forgive you for basic humanity in times of great stress, is to deny His ability to be greater than our worse sins.

But I respect your stand, even though as hypothetical as this scenario was, it is no more hypothetical then your moral high ground response, meaning I suspect you'd cave to basic principles of survival, or the trigger of fight or flight! Shalom!

BTW - if you could make the choice you claim you would make, you are a better man than the most of us :wavey:

 

[Van]

Yes, many if not most professing Christians might cave and engage in sin. But, others would not. They would die rather than deny Christ. Apparently you might come across their headless bodies in ISIL territory. They did not make an accommodation with the flesh.

Might I be one of the ones who cave? Could be, but I know I would be sinning and going against the Lord.

 

[righteousdude2]

Might I be one of the ones who cave? Could be, but I know I would be sinning and going against the Lord.

I respect your honesty ... there are many who lie through their teeth. May I remind you, that while it may be sin, Jesus still died for that sin. I am confident you would be forgiven for giving into momentary flesh. After all that's why He died.

 

[quantumfaith]

My vote is vastly increase both the Drone fleet and the number and use of AC 130 Specter Gunships..

 

[HAMel]

quantumfaith..., yep!

This touchy feelie, give 'em a big kiss, hug 'em 'round the neck kissing their ring and by the way..., here's my wife and daughter Christianity is for the birds. Sometimes you have to fight fire with fire. Jesus instructed his Apostles to take their purse and buy a sword so the believers of the world should roll over and cave into these clowns?

Non-stop attacking for about 90 days might just get their attention.

 

[blackbird]

My vote is vastly increase . . . the number and use of AC 130 Specter Gunships..

This would be I assume-----PUFF THE MAGIC DRAGON!!!

 

[Bro. Curtis]

My vote is vastly increase both the Drone fleet and the number and use of AC 130 Specter Gunships..

Yup.

As far as actionable intelligence, like I said before…..there are things I went through in boot camp that I would do my best to avoid a second time. Tear gas was NOTHING. Try "George" the smoke house. I promise, you would say anything to get out of there. Same with the pool full of cold seawater. Wouldn't make it reliable.

 

[quantumfaith]

This would be I assume-----PUFF THE MAGIC DRAGON!!!

Yes, AKA Puff......

Its use strikes fear in the hearts of enemy combatants. It flies circles around a target and essentially "touches" any part within the area of that circle on the ground.

 

[quantumfaith]

My personal conviction is that my hope is war and actions of war should be rare, but when such violence is called for it should be lethal and relentless and not stop until the enemy CLEARLY communicates that they have had enough. It also would not be out the question to remind some parts of the world that we were the nation who used nuclear devices to bring war in the Pacific to an end.

 

[Salty]

...What did Jesus say, is it right to do wrong in order to get a chance to do right. Do not be lead astray by the clever stories from the Father of lies.

Scripture please?

In the Old Test - when there was extreme sin; the Children of Israel were instructed to totally destroy cities.

When Did God change that?

 

[righteousdude2]

Scripture please?

In the Old Test - when there was extreme sin; the Children of Israel were instructed to totally destroy cities.

When Did God change that?

A hearty AMEN to that!

 

[Van]

Folks, it seems, because posters seldom say what they mean, that Salty and RD2 believe the ends justify the means. And they do not think Jesus taught to always do what is right, rather than doing wrong to get a chance to do right.

We need to teach the disciples of Christ all that He commanded, such as always do right, and therefore the ends never justify the means.

But where did Jesus say "always do right?" Does "be Holy" or "be perfect" ring a bell? How about fulfill all righteousness?