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Has God made the Future "Fixed" So that he Cannot Undo it?

Yeshua1

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That He has chosen to "fix" the Future, that all things will come to pass as he predestined them, som in a sense 'fixed Himself" and subject to it happening, unable to change the results?
 

preacher4truth

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That He has chosen to "fix" the Future, that all things will come to pass as he predestined them, som in a sense 'fixed Himself" and subject to it happening, unable to change the results?

His plan and eternal purpose is being perfectly orchestrated, and is beyond our logic and reason. There is no 'Plan B' nor are there things that occur to Him causing Him to react, as would be the case within the theology of some, i.e. 'Open Theism', being, as concerning the truth of Scripture heretical, even as Dr. Bob has rightly mentioned.

I'm at ease knowing my God is in control of all things.
 

kyredneck

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Is this the sort of reasoning that open theism spawns? Or rather, was open theism spawned by this sort of reasoning? I mean, really, what is this? I'm kinda at a loss for words, except that 'profane babbling' comes to mind.

There comes a point where one needs to take the attitude of the Psalmist and simply say:

"Such knowledge is too wonderful for me; It is high, I cannot attain unto it."
 
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Van

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The concept that gods have an infinite knowledge of the [snipped: inappropriate] to the core.

Scripture tells us God brings about, causes, the events/circumstances described (declared) in His prophecies, thus He fulfills them.

This is the opposite of those who claim God knows the future and declares what He knows is going to happen in the fixed future. [snipped: inappropriate]

The Closed Theism of Calvinism is unbiblical. The partially open theism of the Bible stands in stark contrast.
 
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Arbo

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His plan and eternal purpose is being perfectly orchestrated, and is beyond our logic and reason. There is no 'Plan B' nor are there things that occur to Him causing Him to react, as would be the case within the theology of some, i.e. 'Open Theism', being, as concerning the truth of Scripture heretical, even as Dr. Bob has rightly mentioned.

I'm at ease knowing my God is in control of all things.

:thumbs: If there were a backup plan, He would be neither omniscient nor omnipotent.
 

freeatlast

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That He has chosen to "fix" the Future, that all things will come to pass as he predestined them, som in a sense 'fixed Himself" and subject to it happening, unable to change the results?

There is nothing that God has "predestined" that will not come to pass or have to be altered. It is not about Him not being able to change things. It is about there being no need once He has ordained them.
 

Crabtownboy

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We know the future is not fixed. How so? Because in the OT there are incidents where God changed his mind.

Exodus 32:14, "...the Lord changed His mind..."

Jeremiah 26:19, "...the Lord changed His mind..."

Jonah 3:10; which says, “When God saw what they did and how they turned from their evil ways, He had compassion and did not bring upon them the destruction He had threatened.”
 
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kyredneck

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freeatlast

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We know the future is not fixed. How so? Because in the OT there are incidents where God changed his mind.

Exodus 32:14, "...the Lord changed His mind..."

Jeremiah 26:19, "...the Lord changed His mind..."

Jonah 3:10; which says, “When God saw what they did and how they turned from their evil ways, He had compassion and did not bring upon them the destruction He had threatened.”

That was not the OP question. He asked if what was "predestined"
would ever be changed.
 

HeirofSalvation

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Lol, you're still smarting over this:

http://www.baptistboard.com/showthread.php?p=1832643#post1832643

Trolls often don't understand, they just don't get it, it's their nasty little attitudes that first give them away.

O.K. busted...you win. But you could answer that question...so what if he is? you could leave him alone I suppose. He just asked a question, why would you even respond to it, and in a personally derisive manner, to suggest something horrifying about Yeshua/DaChaser-whoever. Don't be the pot that calls the kettle black .
 

kyredneck

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O.K. busted...you win. But you could answer that question...so what if he is? you could leave him alone I suppose. He just asked a question, why would you even respond to it, and in a personally derisive manner, to suggest something horrifying about Yeshua/DaChaser-whoever. Don't be the pot that calls the kettle black .

Never said anything derisive about him. Actually I kinda like the guy, I've never known him to be insulting or offensive to any member here on the BB. He does ask some off the wall questions sometimes though.
 

AresMan

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That He has chosen to "fix" the Future, that all things will come to pass as he predestined them, som in a sense 'fixed Himself" and subject to it happening, unable to change the results?
1. God is not bound by the very spacetime that He created; therefore, He is not "stuck" in a chronological succession that He would regret.
2. God decreed things to be the way His perfect will would have come about. There is no reason why God would want to change what He decreed from His eternal will. Why would He want to do this, and upon what basis?
 

kyredneck

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O.K. busted...you win. But you could answer that question...so what if he is? you could leave him alone I suppose. He just asked a question, why would you even respond to it, and in a personally derisive manner, to suggest something horrifying about Yeshua/DaChaser-whoever. Don't be the pot that calls the kettle black .

Never said anything derisive about him. Actually I kinda like the guy, I've never known him to be insulting or offensive to any member here on the BB. He does ask some off the wall questions sometimes though.

Heehee, methinks he could be experiencing an identity crisis in his life too.... :)
 

agedman

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We know the future is not fixed. How so? Because in the OT there are incidents where God changed his mind.

Exodus 32:14, "...the Lord changed His mind..."

Jeremiah 26:19, "...the Lord changed His mind..."

Jonah 3:10; which says, “When God saw what they did and how they turned from their evil ways, He had compassion and did not bring upon them the destruction He had threatened.”

The word "repented" as used in a phrase such as the Lord "repented" does not mean a change of mind.

Rather, it means like one making a sigh or pity. As a father, I have had that same experience when correcting my children.

You don't so much change your mind as change your approach.

Rather than a spanking, I might have had pity or sighed with a sadness as I moved them to sit in a corner for time out.

God does not "change his mind."

There is absolutely no "shadow of turning" as James points out.
 

freeatlast

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The word "repented" as used in a phrase such as the Lord "repented" does not mean a change of mind.

Rather, it means like one making a sigh or pity. As a father, I have had that same experience when correcting my children.

You don't so much change your mind as change your approach.

Rather than a spanking, I might have had pity or sighed with a sadness as I moved them to sit in a corner for time out.

God does not "change his mind."

There is absolutely no "shadow of turning" as James points out.

Can you explain how someone changes their approach and not their mind? I mean how is change not change?
 
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