Has the US ever been a Christian nation.

How about slavery and the Constitution's endorsement of it? Or, perhaps, you might consider the hypocrisy of stating that all men are created equal while treating blacks as 3rd class citizens?

Joseph Botwinick

 

Section 1, Article 9:

Section 1, Article 9 of the United States Constitution

I believe the key word here is importation. It seems that human slaves were imported from other countries sort of like we would import any commodity today. And the Constitution said that was ok.

Joseph Botwinick

 

My argument is not that it was not better than what we had before. My argument is that it cannot be said to be wholly Biblical. That, IMO, would be an insult to the Bible if we tried to say that it was.

Joseph Botwinick

 

1. It does more than recognize that it is going on. Go back and read it again. It says:

2. The fact that they compromised on this issue shows hypocrisy and a non-Biblical attitude. I don't think God would have compromised. He would have either said "All men are created equal" or "some men are 3rd class citizens to be bought, sold, and taxed like a commodity on the open market".

3. The fact that they were taxed is an insult. And it certainly did not discourage slavery.

4. To call the Constitution Biblical would be an insult to the Bible.

Joseph Botwinick

 

Yes...it is getting very late. I appreciate talking with you as well. I look forward to further discussions with you in the future. Good Night.

Joseph Botwinick

 

Yep. I see many other ideas repeated from the other thread here as well, so I didn't think that would be a problem.

My point is that having a "Biblically based government" whether it is a democracy, monarchy, totalitarian dictatorship, theocracy, whatever is exactly what the founders didn't want and they made the first amendment in the constitution to prevent that from happening.

 

Several of the founders were not Christians. Some were deists. Jefferson was a liberal. He did not believe in the miracles. A Bible with the miracles gone is named after him.

 

The aim of the Jefferson bible compiled by Jefferson was to extract the moral precepts of Jesus found in the gospels. But yes, Jefferson's clear Deism would have lead to a distrust of the supernatural.

 

I am also saying that the US founders would never have wanted a "biblically based democracy" which is why they created the first amendment.

 

Slavery is in the Bible in both the Old & New Testaments. The Bible doesn't say anything about it being wrong to own slaves.

Paul even goes so far as to say he is a "slave of Jesus Christ."

At any rate, today, the average American is a slave to the tax system.

 

How is slavery in opposition to the Bible, Joseph?

True, freedom is much better. And I am opposed to slavery, but not because is it banned in the Bible.

Why did God not command masters to release their slaves in the New Testament?

 

Slavery is in the Bible in both the Old & New Testaments. The Bible doesn't say anything about it being wrong to own slaves.

Paul even goes so far as to say he is a "slave of Jesus Christ."

At any rate, today, the average American is a slave to the tax system. </font>[/QUOTE]If slavery is Biblical, then the idea that all men are created equal is not. Either way you want to go with this argument, the principles on which this nation were founded are hypocritical and unBiblical.

Joseph Botwinick

 

You left out women, Joseph.

And I disagree with your position.

 

Indeed I did leave them out. Allow me to add them: Women also. I don't care if you disagree with my position. Lately, that is actually something I would consider a positive thing.

The facts remain: Either all people are created equal or it is ok to buy and sell some people like you would cattle. Either way, the principles on which this nation is founded are hypocritical and not althogether Biblical.

Joseph Botwinick