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Has Theology Died?

timtofly

Well-Known Member
In Scripture the nations do not seem so much to have an open border law as to not have a law preventing sojourners to come in. An open border law would imply that there would be a positive law either allowing or disallowing people to come in.

But more than the open border issue vs. no open border I am against what has been done with reference to those already inside. I am against the idea that foreigners whether illegal aliens or legal should not be entitled to an equal right to a fair and equal trial by law just as much as we citizens are.

16 And I charged your judges at that time, saying, Hear the causes between your brethren, and judge righteously between a man and his brother, and the sojourner that is with him.
17 Ye shall not respect persons in judgment; ye shall hear the small and the great alike; ye shall not be afraid of the face of man; for the judgment is God’s: and the cause that is too hard for you ye shall bring unto me, and I will hear it. (Deuteronomy 1:16-17 ASV)

That which cannot be done without a violation of the law of nature also called the moral law must needs be a violation of the moral law of God. There are certain practices or laws which if used or practiced in civil government in their own nature would be sin or violations of the moral law of God. Although not every sin or transgression of the moral law is to be punished by the civil powers or outlawed by the civil law of any commonwealth or nation, yet there are some civil policies and civil laws which in their own nature are transgressions of the moral law. Forbearance to punish or make a civil law against some open sins is not necessarily a violation of the moral law. But to do that which is in its own nature a transgression of the moral law as a matter of civil policy is to violate the moral law in matter of civil government, civil law, or policy. In this way the moral law of God may be truly said to not merely give principles or values that one can choose to use or not, but it is a binding rule for civil government and policy.
There is currently no authority to force a nation to do anything. Not even to keep some law set up by God Himself. The principle may be biblical, but there is currently no application. Unless you consider Islam, which is allegedly both a spiritual and civil authority. But that is still man made rule, and not some God given authority. Attempting to force the civil rule even according to the church's binding authority is still not about control of a nation. There is still the firm separation between what the church does and what a civil authority can do. Even if the church was the entire civil population, there has to be the separation of power. Since being in the church is a free conscious decision, not a birth right, it is entirely different than being born the citizen of a nation. Unless one understands this point, attempting to marry church and state will never work. It would be a dismal failure. That is the whole reason the US is in the wicked state it is currently in.
 

Noah Hirsch

Active Member
There is currently no authority to force a nation to do anything. Not even to keep some law set up by God Himself. The principle may be biblical, but there is currently no application. Unless you consider Islam, which is allegedly both a spiritual and civil authority. But that is still man made rule, and not some God given authority. Attempting to force the civil rule even according to the church's binding authority is still not about control of a nation. There is still the firm separation between what the church does and what a civil authority can do. Even if the church was the entire civil population, there has to be the separation of power. Since being in the church is a free conscious decision, not a birth right, it is entirely different than being born the citizen of a nation. Unless one understands this point, attempting to marry church and state will never work. It would be a dismal failure. That is the whole reason the US is in the wicked state it is currently in.

I acknowledge that we should not confuse the civil government with the church. The role of church and state is not to be confounded. The nature of church and state is not to be confounded. The nature of the government of the church is not to be confounded with the nature of the government of the commonwealth. But both the church and the state are under God who is sovereign over all. Are you aware of Kuypterianism, common grace, the distinction between common grace and particular or saving grace, and the distinction between the various spheres of life all of which Christ is sovereign over? We should also recognize that we cannot produce perfect justice in our nation, though there is nothing wrong with seeking to reform some evils according to one’s place and calling. This is rooted in common grace.
 
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