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evangelist6589

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After listening to your message I would say that your message is combative. That is fine IF that is what God has called you to, do it. There are others who have been called to that. John the Baptist, Isaiah, and others, but keep in mind that you also have to be ready for what follows as those who have went before you.



You did make a false statement in your preaching. You said people have to repent of their sin to be saved. That is false. The NT NEVER says that. In fact it is impossible and it is also works. Repentance of sin is the result of salvation, not the road to it. It is called sanctification.



What the bible says is repentance toward God and faith in the Lord Jesus Christ. I wish you the best. God bless :jesus:


Quite correct I need to be ready but I am not always ready. Regarding repentance its a work of the spirit. I say it because many these days do not preach it but just preach the say a prayer gospel and so New Agers and others can be saved and still be into pantheism!

Some of my tracts are this way but when I preach I do not preach the say a prayer message. I preach on repentance.
 

Zaac

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Quite correct I need to be ready but I am not always ready. Regarding repentance its a work of the spirit. I say it because many these days do not preach it but just preach the say a prayer gospel and so New Agers and others can be saved and still be into pantheism!

Some of my tracts are this way but when I preach I do not preach the say a prayer message. I preach on repentance.

Is it done so in love? I've found that the love is often times the missing ingredient.

The spirit in which people are approached about repentance reveals something about the person's, who approaches them, heart.

If you get to the point where you're being argumentative about repentance, it's no longer about repentance.

Evangelism should be more about God's love that's inseparable from His wrath, His grace that's inseparable from His mercy, and His forgiveness that's inseparable from His loving kindness more so than it should be about an apologistic attempt to win an argument.

If you believe someone is a false teacher, then sit with them and express your concerns.
 

PreachTony

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Is it done so in love? I've found that the love is often times the missing ingredient.

The spirit in which people are approached about repentance reveals something about the person's, who approaches them, heart.

If you get to the point where you're being argumentative about repentance, it's no longer about repentance.

Evangelism should be more about God's love that's inseparable from His wrath, His grace that's inseparable from His mercy, and His forgiveness that's inseparable from His loving kindness more so than it should be about an apologistic attempt to win an argument.

If you believe someone is a false teacher, then sit with them and express your concerns.

Any preacher or evangelist not working from a position of love needs to seriously reconsider their calling. But also, we have to recognize that, just as our parents reproved and rebuked us when we did wrong, our Heavenly Father does the same. Too many people today consider the chastisement of God to mean God does not love, and that is not the case. It is through the chastisement of God that we learn that we are indeed the sons of God.

It's a fine line. The moment some preachers/evangelists get the slightest bit aggressive or overly-spiritual, some people turn and run, thinking that the preacher is acting out of God's wrath, and not His love. More often than not, nothing is further from the truth, but the god of this world has so blinded people that they struggle to comprehend the truth when preached to them.
 

evangelist6589

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Is it done so in love? I've found that the love is often times the missing ingredient.



The spirit in which people are approached about repentance reveals something about the person's, who approaches them, heart.



If you get to the point where you're being argumentative about repentance, it's no longer about repentance.



Evangelism should be more about God's love that's inseparable from His wrath, His grace that's inseparable from His mercy, and His forgiveness that's inseparable from His loving kindness more so than it should be about an apologistic attempt to win an argument.



If you believe someone is a false teacher, then sit with them and express your concerns.


Not all are open because their pride gets in the way. Besides this approach you speak of is not mentioned in the book of Jude and 2 Peter. The approach you speak of is more of a person in the church teaching false doctrine in his sermon or Sunday school class. For example if person X got to teach SS and he went off on the KJV ONLY rant then he would need confrontation in gentleness and respect
 
Not all are open because their pride gets in the way. Besides this approach you speak of is not mentioned in the book of Jude and 2 Peter. The approach you speak of is more of a person in the church teaching false doctrine in his sermon or Sunday school class. For example if person X got to teach SS and he went off on the KJV ONLY rant then he would need confrontation in gentleness and respect

How do you think Jude would have handled these false teachers outside the local assembly? His epistle spoke specifically about those who had infiltrated the local flock.
 

Zaac

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Not all are open because their pride gets in the way. Besides this approach you speak of is not mentioned in the book of Jude and 2 Peter. The approach you speak of is more of a person in the church teaching false doctrine in his sermon or Sunday school class. For example if person X got to teach SS and he went off on the KJV ONLY rant then he would need confrontation in gentleness and respect

Huh again? Why does it have to be spoken of in Jude and 2 Peter? Is God speaking ONCE about how the truth is to be delivered not enough?

This is where I go back to Scriptural basics. The word of God tells us to "Love your neighbor as yourself". Mark 12:31

If you're not approaching them in love, sit down because you've become more of a barrier to Christ than you are a help to point someone to Him.

And I've never liked this confrontation word. I often get antsy when folks start talking about confronting this or that. You should desire to talk to people in a loving respectful manner. The minute you let the word "confront" roll from your tongue, a wall will go up.

The folks at Westboro Baptist like to "confront" folks. I do wonder how many folks they have encountered with their "confrontations" that they have led to Christ?
 

Zaac

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Any preacher or evangelist not working from a position of love needs to seriously reconsider their calling. But also, we have to recognize that, just as our parents reproved and rebuked us when we did wrong, our Heavenly Father does the same. Too many people today consider the chastisement of God to mean God does not love, and that is not the case. It is through the chastisement of God that we learn that we are indeed the sons of God.

It's a fine line. The moment some preachers/evangelists get the slightest bit aggressive or overly-spiritual, some people turn and run, thinking that the preacher is acting out of God's wrath, and not His love. More often than not, nothing is further from the truth, but the god of this world has so blinded people that they struggle to comprehend the truth when preached to them.

It is indeed a fine line. I often tell young preachers to make sure you "beat the point" of your preaching into the shape of the Cross.

If you're gonna preach on hell, make sure you leave them with an understanding of how to get to heaven. Take them to the Cross.

If you're gonna preach about lostness, make sure you let them know how to be redeemed. Take them to the Cross.

If you're going to teach them about false teaching, take them to the one who cannot lie.

Take them to the Cross.:thumbsup:
 

Judith

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Quite correct I need to be ready but I am not always ready. Regarding repentance its a work of the spirit. I say it because many these days do not preach it but just preach the say a prayer gospel and so New Agers and others can be saved and still be into pantheism!

Some of my tracts are this way but when I preach I do not preach the say a prayer message. I preach on repentance.

You need to read my post again. I did not say what you stated about repentance.
 

evangelist6589

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Huh again? Why does it have to be spoken of in Jude and 2 Peter? Is God speaking ONCE about how the truth is to be delivered not enough?



This is where I go back to Scriptural basics. The word of God tells us to "Love your neighbor as yourself". Mark 12:31



If you're not approaching them in love, sit down because you've become more of a barrier to Christ than you are a help to point someone to Him.



And I've never liked this confrontation word. I often get antsy when folks start talking about confronting this or that. You should desire to talk to people in a loving respectful manner. The minute you let the word "confront" roll from your tongue, a wall will go up.



The folks at Westboro Baptist like to "confront" folks. I do wonder how many folks they have encountered with their "confrontations" that they have led to Christ?


Stop demonizing people with a hate group!!!!!!!!!!! Anyways if you can get your local Word of Faith pastor to a one on one chat be my guest. Some may chAt but most will not with outsiders.
 

evangelist6589

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It is indeed a fine line. I often tell young preachers to make sure you "beat the point" of your preaching into the shape of the Cross.



If you're gonna preach on hell, make sure you leave them with an understanding of how to get to heaven. Take them to the Cross.



If you're gonna preach about lostness, make sure you let them know how to be redeemed. Take them to the Cross.



If you're going to teach them about false teaching, take them to the one who cannot lie.



Take them to the Cross.:thumbsup:


That's why I do! I always preach grace in my letters.
 

Zaac

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Stop demonizing people with a hate group!!!!!!!!!!!

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If you're not doing what they are doing, it doesn't apply to you. If you are, it does.

Anyways if you can get your local Word of Faith pastor to a one on one chat be my guest. Some may chAt but most will not with outsiders.

Get him to chat about what? His false teaching? He already knows how Baptists feel about his false teaching. There's nothing to "chat" about.
 
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