Haunted workplace

[Salty]

This is already been well answered, but I'm sure there is some mad charismatic somewhere willing to to payer march, dose the door in holy water and 'slay' the demon on the door for you

Yep - send me $49.99 (money orders only) and I will send you the "get rid of the demon" kit

 

[Yeshua1]

Working today and am the only one in the warehouse yet a locked door opened by itself and I saw the sun shinning into the room and I then approached the door and it closed by itself. It's not windy today and that door is jammed locked so no way it could be the wind. Security is all over it and the video shows no one at the door inside or outside the building. I tell you this place is haunted and devils are prowling around. I am spooked. Wonder if I should go to that door and try and cast out the devil but nah don't want to play with fire.

Just stay prayed up and in the bible, that will be sufficient!

 

[Rlee]

Yep - send me $49.99 (money orders only) and I will send you the "get rid of the demon" kit

If I act now, can I get a second kit and just pay handling?

 

[Rlee]

I've seen things I couldn't explain before, such as a strange gathering of lights in the night sky that was moving silently as my eleven year old son and I looked on. Scripture obviously teaches that there are designated places for believers and unbelievers to go once passed on, and my take on ghosts or spirits and even ufo's has always been attributed to Satan's minions, seeing how he is the prince of the power of the air. We know he roams the earth doing what God allows, it just seems reasonable that he can lead people into mysticism and away from the Gospel by perpetrating such acts. Comments? Questions? Rude remarks?

 

[InTheLight]

I've seen things I couldn't explain before, such as a strange gathering of lights in the night sky that was moving silently as my eleven year old son and I looked on. Scripture obviously teaches that there are designated places for believers and unbelievers to go once passed on, and my take on ghosts or spirits and even ufo's has always been attributed to Satan's minions, seeing how he is the prince of the power of the air. We know he roams the earth doing what God allows, it just seems reasonable that he can lead people into mysticism and away from the Gospel by perpetrating such acts. Comments? Questions? Rude remarks?

How are Satan's minions making lights appear in the sky?

Are they:
--demons piloting physical spacecraft with lights on?
--demons deceiving your brain into seeing lights in the sky where there are no lights?
--demons flying around appearing as lights in the sky?
--demons somehow making lights appear in the sky?

some other explanation for how Satan makes UFOs appear in the sky?

 

[Rlee]

How are Satan's minions making lights appear in the sky?

Are they:
--demons piloting physical spacecraft with lights on?
--demons deceiving your brain into seeing lights in the sky where there are no lights?
--demons flying around appearing as lights in the sky?
--demons somehow making lights appear in the sky?

some other explanation for how Satan makes UFOs appear in the sky?

I'm sure there is some sort of unholy pilot's license.

 

[Rlee]

My point is, there are lots of folks running around out there looking for any and all kinds of signs that point to something other than God. Mysticism and UFO's top the list.

 

[Aaron]

Working today and am the only one in the warehouse yet a locked door opened by itself and I saw the sun shinning into the room and I then approached the door and it closed by itself. It's not windy today and that door is jammed locked so no way it could be the wind. Security is all over it and the video shows no one at the door inside or outside the building. I tell you this place is haunted and devils are prowling around. I am spooked. Wonder if I should go to that door and try and cast out the devil but nah don't want to play with fire.

. . . and to think that this post may have appeared on the BB home page.

 

[Rlee]

Working alone in an empty building can actually be a frightening experience. I had to do checks in an abandoned building which was part of a hospital. The psych ward was in the basement and it looked like something from a horror movie (old green tile, glass with bullet holes). Sometimes homeless people would hide in the old rooms. It's a wonder I didn't have a heart attack.

Maybe this will help the next time you are in that situation: the idea devils are opening and closing doors is just mysticism ingrained in our culture. Some substitute the older myths of ghosts with devils to try and make their ideas more Christian. Paul tells us that our struggle is not against flesh and blood (not against the material but the spiritual...not against devils opening and closing doors but against spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places). We fight against the rulers, the powers, and world forces of this darkness.

If that doesn't help, then think of it this way - what you are suggesting is foreign to Scripture itself. There are absolutely no examples in the Bible of devils operating in the manner you have suggested they operate. As Christians we get our worldview from Scripture. So you are safe to dismiss the idea devils are haunting your workplace.

I agree with you. So where can we stand firmly as believers when it applies to things that are legitimately inexplicable without trying to Christianize it? I'm not given to conspiracy theories, ghost stories, or aliens or their so-called abductions. I'm not lured into the mystical. I can't, however, ascribe things in these categories to something outside of creation, including the spiritual realm. I know scripture is without details on much of this and I personally think it's because it's addressed in a general fashion, such as what you have mentioned above. The true battles we face everyday are of a spiritual nature. If part of Satan's nature as a roaring lion is to seek out and devour and destroy, it follows that his cohorts do the same, does it not? My son and I are standing in the driveway one warm summer night in the country looking up at the night sky. We do this often because we enjoy looking for asteroids and shooting stars and it usually leads to a discussion of creation. This particular night, there are no sounds of aircraft or traffic. At the end of the cul-de-sac, approx. 100-150 yards away, there are some lights in just some odd formation that at first we thought were stationary, but then we realize they are moving. There is no twinkling or flashing and the movement is very slow. The altitude was roughly 500-1000 feet. We watched for probably ten minutes, talking about it and how it was without sound, pondered the possibility of it, and then went inside. I have no idea what it was but I don't teach my son about aliens because there is no scripture to back that up, but spiritual powers on this earth that perform such acts, or at the least make us think we're seeing something, I think is a very real possibility. Anyone weak in their faith or having no believing faith in Christ and looking for meaning could easily be duped into believing in "higher forms of life" or "E.T.", which in turn can create all kinds of problems for a non-believer including spiritual demise if their eyes aren't opened to the truth. That's the trick isn't it? If Satan can create doubt about truth just as he did in the garden, then there's plenty of room for everything else in the human heart and mind. All he has to do is muddy the water a little, convert the one truth into many false truths, take focus off of God and his own existence, and from that point on it can easily go in any direction. Have we forgotten where relativism does? Am I way off base here? It's just me, right? Gone too far in my incoherent rant?

 

[Genevanpreacher]

Ignore the lights.
Ignore the fantastical.
Just pay heed to the Lord and his path before you.

These are just distractions used to waste our attention on.

Also, didn't doors open of themselves for Peter one night?
Remember?

 

[JonC]

I agree with you. So where can we stand firmly as believers when it applies to things that are legitimately inexplicable without trying to Christianize it? I'm not given to conspiracy theories, ghost stories, or aliens or their so-called abductions. I'm not lured into the mystical. I can't, however, ascribe things in these categories to something outside of creation, including the spiritual realm. I know scripture is without details on much of this and I personally think it's because it's addressed in a general fashion, such as what you have mentioned above. The true battles we face everyday are of a spiritual nature. If part of Satan's nature as a roaring lion is to seek out and devour and destroy, it follows that his cohorts do the same, does it not? My son and I are standing in the driveway one warm summer night in the country looking up at the night sky. We do this often because we enjoy looking for asteroids and shooting stars and it usually leads to a discussion of creation. This particular night, there are no sounds of aircraft or traffic. At the end of the cul-de-sac, approx. 100-150 yards away, there are some lights in just some odd formation that at first we thought were stationary, but then we realize they are moving. There is no twinkling or flashing and the movement is very slow. The altitude was roughly 500-1000 feet. We watched for probably ten minutes, talking about it and how it was without sound, pondered the possibility of it, and then went inside. I have no idea what it was but I don't teach my son about aliens because there is no scripture to back that up, but spiritual powers on this earth that perform such acts, or at the least make us think we're seeing something, I think is a very real possibility. Anyone weak in their faith or having no believing faith in Christ and looking for meaning could easily be duped into believing in "higher forms of life" or "E.T.", which in turn can create all kinds of problems for a non-believer including spiritual demise if their eyes aren't opened to the truth. That's the trick isn't it? If Satan can create doubt about truth just as he did in the garden, then there's plenty of room for everything else in the human heart and mind. All he has to do is muddy the water a little, convert the one truth into many false truths, take focus off of God and his own existence, and from that point on it can easily go in any direction. Have we forgotten where relativism does? Am I way off base here? It's just me, right? Gone too far in my incoherent rant?

Perhaps sometimes we can simply go on without knowing. Many have seen things like will o'wisps, ball lightening, foxfire and St. Elmo's fire,and although there are very logical explanations often those explanations escape us at the time.

When I was a young boy living outside of Atlanta Georgia I saw "ball lightening" for the first (and thus far last) time. As a teenager I'd join friends to look at the glowing tombstones and the "ghost light". The tombstones glowed with a light greenish color, as if they were covered in foxfire. I saw the "ghost light" three times. It was a ball of light that moved through the woods just by the railroad tracks (and no, there was no train coming).

I was in Norway, just above the Arctic Circle, for several months and watched the Northern Lights just about every night. Sometimes they were just a faint glow, but sometimes they were a show. The Aurora has been associated with the spirit world for centuries. And that sounds much more romantic and adventurous than saying they are the atmospheric disturbances in the magnetosphere. Just like the glowing tombstones are more fun to think of in a supernatural sense rather than foxfire. Or ball lightening being something from the spirit world rather than a display of nature. Or the "ghost light" being a disturbance of gases rather than an intersection of the living and the dead, or demonic works.

I wonder why we go so quickly to the supernatural (specifically to ghosts or demons) to explain those things for which we have no answer. I'm inclined to believe that the work of "devils" is not in these types of events but in our inclinations to believe that a cause which is evasive to men must be beyond the natural order of things. It's just odd that when we see things we can't explain, or that appear out of the nature order of things, we so quickly look to Satan rather than God. I think that is where Satan works - not in lights and doors, but in the minds of men.

Anyway....that's just some ramblings of my own.

 

[Rlee]

Perhaps sometimes we can simply go on without knowing. Many have seen things like will o'wisps, ball lightening, foxfire and St. Elmo's fire,and although there are very logical explanations often those explanations escape us at the time.

When I was a young boy living outside of Atlanta Georgia I saw "ball lightening" for the first (and thus far last) time. As a teenager I'd join friends to look at the glowing tombstones and the "ghost light". The tombstones glowed with a light greenish color, as if they were covered in foxfire. I saw the "ghost light" three times. It was a ball of light that moved through the woods just by the railroad tracks (and no, there was no train coming).

I was in Norway, just above the Arctic Circle, for several months and watched the Northern Lights just about every night. Sometimes they were just a faint glow, but sometimes they were a show. The Aurora has been associated with the spirit world for centuries. And that sounds much more romantic and adventurous than saying they are the atmospheric disturbances in the magnetosphere. Just like the glowing tombstones are more fun to think of in a supernatural sense rather than foxfire. Or ball lightening being something from the spirit world rather than a display of nature. Or the "ghost light" being a disturbance of gases rather than an intersection of the living and the dead, or demonic works.

I wonder why we go so quickly to the supernatural (specifically to ghosts or demons) to explain those things for which we have no answer. I'm inclined to believe that the work of "devils" is not in these types of events but in our inclinations to believe that a cause which is evasive to men must be beyond the natural order of things. It's just odd that when we see things we can't explain, or that appear out of the nature order of things, we so quickly look to Satan rather than God. I think that is where Satan works - not in lights and doors, but in the minds of men.

Anyway....that's just some ramblings of my own.

I understand and I certainly don't count myself among the most intelligent in this or any other area, and I'm not a "god of the gaps" supporter either so I'm not constantly looking to insert a spiritual answer where there may not be one. If my personal thoughts on the issue are misplaced then I certainly want to admit it and learn from it. I think I should point out that I don't lose sleep over these things and I'm not trying to uncover some covert demonic operation. I continue to believe however, that these things can and do draw people away from God and it just seems that the church rarely has a solid answer to an unbelieving world. Science can answer much of it, I agree. But there are always a few things that take us by surprise. The first time I heard a mountain lion howl in the middle of the night, well, let's just say that my skin crawled because it sounded like no animal. Maybe I'm just trying too hard on this and I'm digging my own hole a little deeper. I try to remain teachable. On a lighter note, I lived in Atlanta for several years and the one thing I witnessed that was always miraculous was how anyone survived traffic on GA 400, 285, 85, and 75 on a daily basis.

 

[JonC]

I understand and I certainly don't count myself among the most intelligent in this or any other area, and I'm not a "god of the gaps" supporter either so I'm not constantly looking to insert a spiritual answer where there may not be one. If my personal thoughts on the issue are misplaced then I certainly want to admit it and learn from it. I think I should point out that I don't lose sleep over these things and I'm not trying to uncover some covert demonic operation. I continue to believe however, that these things can and do draw people away from God and it just seems that the church rarely has a solid answer to an unbelieving world. Science can answer much of it, I agree. But there are always a few things that take us by surprise. The first time I heard a mountain lion howl in the middle of the night, well, let's just say that my skin crawled because it sounded like no animal. Maybe I'm just trying too hard on this and I'm digging my own hole a little deeper. I try to remain teachable. On a lighter note, I lived in Atlanta for several years and the one thing I witnessed that was always miraculous was how anyone survived traffic on GA 400, 285, 85, and 75 on a daily basis.

I agree. The greater issue, in my opinion, is not unexplainable events that happen our way, but what we do with them (perhaps what we allow them to do to us).

If I needed to understand everything, or even most, of what I encounter in life then I am indeed a man of the sorriest sort. I’ve been married 29 years, over half of my life, and I still don’t understand women.

 

[Yeshua1]

They can appear to do things beyond physical laws, as not bound with them as we are, being flesh and blood, and they also can affect human perceptions, see Fatima!

 

[JonC]

They can appear to do things beyond physical laws, as not bound with them as we are, being flesh and blood, and they also can affect human perceptions, see Fatima!

In regards to the OP, do you believe Scripture facilities the belief demons are here to haunt buildings and open and close doors in order to scare Christians?

 

[Yeshua1]

In regards to the OP, do you believe Scripture facilities the belief demons are here to haunt buildings and open and close doors in order to scare Christians?

Think that he has more important things to be doing with his time, for he knows it is short!

 

[Rlee]

My mother sliced open a potato a few years ago and found the likeness of Jesus......really! Of course I gave her the look. Going forward, I'm making a decision to scoff 90% of the time and the other 10% will be just for kicks and giggles.