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Have I crossed the line in Dispensationalism?

evangelist6589

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Yep. Otherwise, its a waste of time that could be put to more productive use. Some authors give their proceeds to charity, but that nonetheless means they expect their book to make money. Even the publishers of the various versions of the Bible expect to make a profit, or they wouldn't keep publishing it.

Note that I said JUST meaning it was the sole reason. Do you think there are many authors that publish JUST to make a buck? If you still think this I will find it odd as Mac himself gives away lots of free copies of books that cost nothing.
 
Note that I said JUST meaning it was the sole reason. Do you think there are many authors that publish JUST to make a buck? If you still think this I will find it odd as Mac himself gives away lots of free copies of books that cost nothing.
I think John MacArthur lives quite comfortably, and I know his [URL="http://www.thewatchmanwakes.com/John-Macarthur-salary-GCC-corporation-Larry-King.html]salary[/URL] is $402,444 for being a "part-time senior pastor" at Grace Community, plus another $103,000 he earns at his position with Master's College and Seminary, so you tell me: Is he writing books to "make a buck," or is that pretty much why he does anything?

My pastor earns $56,000 a year, and I'd take him over John MacArthur any day of the week and three times on Sunday.
 
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evangelist6589

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I think John MacArthur lives quite comfortably, and I know his [URL="http://www.thewatchmanwakes.com/John-Macarthur-salary-GCC-corporation-Larry-King.html]salary[/URL] is $402,444 for being a "part-time senior pastor" at Grace Community, plus another $103,000 he earns at his position with Master's College and Seminary, so you tell me: Is he writing books to "make a buck," or is that pretty much why he does anything?

My pastor earns $56,000 a year, and I'd take him over John MacArthur any day of the week and three times on Sunday.

So everyone is evil heh? Everyone but you and your pastor is greedy and out to make a buck over preaching the truth? What do you say of seminary level books that get few reviews on amazon and only get sold to higher thinkers? Do they write to make a buck ONLY?

There are lots of pastors out there working as tentmakers as Paul did, and lots of pastor out there making less than 30K a year, some even less than 20K a year. 56K a year is not bad for a pastor.
 

quantumfaith

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I think John MacArthur lives quite comfortably, and I know his [URL="http://www.thewatchmanwakes.com/John-Macarthur-salary-GCC-corporation-Larry-King.html]salary[/URL] is $402,444 for being a "part-time senior pastor" at Grace Community, plus another $103,000 he earns at his position with Master's College and Seminary, so you tell me: Is he writing books to "make a buck," or is that pretty much why he does anything?

My pastor earns $56,000 a year, and I'd take him over John MacArthur any day of the week and three times on Sunday.

There are several other interesting financial questions that can be found quite easily concerning GTY. But of course, one must make reasoned judgement about what is found on the web.
 
So everyone is evil heh?
Kindly show me where I said that.
Everyone but you and your pastor is greedy and out to make a buck over preaching the truth?
Kindly show me where I said that.
What do you say of seminary level books that get few reviews on amazon and only get sold to higher thinkers? Do they write to make a buck ONLY?
You mean the books they sell for about $400 a copy?
There are lots of pastors out there working as tentmakers as Paul did, and lots of pastor out there making less than 30K a year, some even less than 20K a year. 56K a year is not bad for a pastor.
You seem extremely defensive in this whole post. I made no claims of evil toward MacArthur or anyone else. I find it ludicrous that someone thinks Mac is worth nearly a half-million dollars a year for part-time work, and I think if he were honest with himself and his church, he'd think it ludicrous, too. Instead, he cashes the checks. Chuck Swindoll made about that much between the Fullerton Evangelical Free Church and Insight for Living, and then later the Dallas Theological Seminary, and still later Stonebriar Community Church, several years ago and to this day.

The difference is, Dr. Swindoll releases his tax returns every year through his church, and they consistently show that he keeps but 10% and gives away 90% to missions, seminaries and Christian charities. When Mac comes anywhere close to doing the same, I will stop noting with irony his salaries from his various employers. That isn't claiming he's evil. It is claiming -- accurately -- that no man is worth that amount in preaching the gospel. Swindoll acknowledges that by giving all of it, except what he and his wife need to live, back to ministry. He isn't the only one. Dr. Charles Stanley, Dr. David Jeremiah, Dr. Tony Evans, to name but a few -- all have proven, without demand, need or necessity, that they live on 10% and give away 90%. At this point, Mac is not among that crowd, sad to say.
 
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Yeshua1

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This is what I wonder. My view on alcohol is not exactly a common one, as many in the Disp camp are into Teetotalism. It seems the best arguments for alcoholic beverages comes from Reformed pens. But this is not saying all Dispensationalists are against alcohol.

Second my view on the Law and the Gospel is not a common one among Dispensationalist. Books like this one seem to be very Covenant theology based and using the 10 Commandments in evangelism is not a common view among Dispensationalists as most believe in the Dispensation of Grace and therefore the use of the LAW is not appropriate. Also open air preaching was for another Dispensation. No I am not saying that all Dispensationalists are against the Way of the Master, nor am I saying that all Reformed accept WOTM, or using the LAW in evangelism, but in general its more accepted in Reformed circles.

The classical view is:

Innocence (Genesis 1 -3) - Adam and Eve before they sinned
Conscience (Genesis 3-8) - First sin to the flood
Civil Government (Genesis 9-11) - After the flood, government
Promise (Genesis 12-Ex. 19) - Abraham to Moses, the Law is given
Law (Exodus 20 - Acts 2:4) - Moses to the cross
Grace (Acts 2:4 - Revelation 20:3) - Cross to the millennial kingdom
Millennial Kingdom (Rev. 20:4-6) – The rule of Christ on earth in the millennial kingdom

So I have to wonder where I stand. Perhaps I do not fit into either camp.

basically, just answer these basic questions!

Do you see Christians still in some sense under the law? Dispy NO
Do you see God seeing the church now as 'spiritual isreal?" Dispy NO
Do you see a lietral millinual reigning upon earth yet to come?Dispy Yes
Do you see a futuristic prophecy yet still to be fulfilled?Dispy Yes

if you agree with that, , you are still in dispy camp!
 
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