have I gone senile or is this a good thing?

[Earth Wind and Fire]

nodak



Or...were they ever there to begin with?
2. Encountered a song snippet the other day that basically had a guy breathily moaning that he didn't want a God to pledge allegiance to or a God to learn theology from, but a God he could "just fall in love with." Sounded like a one night stand song that hadn't sold so had a tiny rewrite and voila--Christian music.

In the book Pulpit Crimes... DR.White points out....what you win them with, is what you win them to......entertainment, jokes, stories.....rather than expositional preaching

A pastor told me that the other day....the expositional thing. I agree that that's one element of it....not the whole bag of shells however. Let me ask you this, "how long should a sermon be knowing that kids (and I would include myself) have short attention spans."

 

[pinoybaptist]

This is "the dirty little Baptist secret". We are quick to speak against the padeo Baptist who speaks about raising a "covenant child"......

what is a covenant child ? never heard of 'it' and I been baptist of three flavors for 40 years and 7 months....

 

[pinoybaptist]

A pastor told me that the other day....the expositional thing. I agree that that's one element of it....not the whole bag of shells however. Let me ask you this, "how long should a sermon be knowing that kids (and I would include myself) have short attention spans."

I'd do for 45 minutes, and when I'm really 'kickin' it', 60.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

what is a covenant child ? never heard of 'it' and I been baptist of three flavors for 40 years and 7 months....

You ever study Covenant Theology?

 

[pinoybaptist]

You ever study Covenant Theology?

a covenant child is an offspring of parents who are into Covenant Theology ?
oh, okay....

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

I'd do for 45 minutes, and when I'm really 'kickin' it', 60.

Id do 15 minutes tops...make my point....and answer questions later.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

a covenant child is an offspring of parents who are into Covenant Theology ?
oh, okay....

Thats how the Orthodox Presbys splained it to me. So your OK if your a member of the club. God help you if you are not.

 

[nodak]

Thanks for those providing food to chew on! And yeah, I know I could be right about this and still senile

 

[righteousdude2]

Is this Baptist ONLY Material?

Two bits of background:

1. Been reading here and there about how this generation or that generation is dropping out of church in droves.

2. Encountered a song snippet the other day that basically had a guy breathily moaning that he didn't want a God to pledge allegiance to or a God to learn theology from, but a God he could "just fall in love with." Sounded like a one night stand song that hadn't sold so had a tiny rewrite and voila--Christian music. Let's not bash the song--that isn't fair. I only heard a snippet before I had to go. Perhaps if I had heard the whole song I would love it and it would have been a good keeper. My beef is with the attitude expressed by the snippet ONLY.

So here is my question: it got me thinking about back in the day when in some parts of the country it was just assumed that by 11-15 or so you would go forward, make a profession of faith, get baptized, and join the local Baptist church. Unfortunately many often walked out of church soon after. (Not all. For many it was the real deal and they led long lives of service to God.)

But I'm wondering if maybe this decline in the various church organizations might not be a good thing directly from the hand of God? Might it be we have so watered things down folks are "in" the church but not "of" it?

If our entertainment worship or friendship evangelism or our pragmatic do-whatever-it-takes-to-get-them-in-the-door-gotta-be-relevant style isn't producing people really sold out to God (and I DID say IF) wouldn't it be better for God to slam the door shut, let us clean our own house so to speak, and then move out in service?

I'm thinking of back in the early times in this country and the "half-covenanters" and wondering if we aren't back there today in a sense? Are we misleading folks into thinking they can have Jesus but keep the world and be popular in it also?

Or am I all wet? What think ye?

It seems to me that this is genreal discussion material, not only Baptist experience this problem! So why is it allowed here?

And here is the BIG question - What exactly constitutes being in this forum? It seems that if someone complains a topic is moved, no matter how good the OP may be. I am beginning to think that moving articles/OPs is more personal than anything else! Let's re-establish the general rules. POST them, and get on to letting this forum be a place where a BAPTIST can ask a question; present something of interest [because a BAPTIST posted it] and not because someone doesn't like the person posting the OP! This is getting a little silly, and annoying at the same time!

It was my understanding that this forum was for ONLY Baptists to post in. It was never conveyed to me that the subject had to be so BAPTIST that it walked BAPTIST; smelled BAPTIST; and bled BAPTIST? Maybe I'm wrong, but I was told a long time ago, that if you were a Baptist, you could post here ... never once did I hear someone say, the P had to be Baptist sounding! :tear: