Have MV's caused more confusion than good?

[Salamander]

And the only reason the KJV gained precedence over the Geneva was that the Geneva bible was eventually outlawed in England forcing people to switch to the KJV.

Who "outlawed" the Geneva in America then? Wasn't the Geneva the Bible of choice by the pilgrims of the early 1600's???

To argue that the Geneva is somehow equal or better than the KJB is stupendous. The proof is that the KJB replaced the Geneva in this Republic which advertantly disposed of any English domination and fro every reason.

 

[Salamander]

The Pilgrims are essentially gone today too.

Nope, still here, in our IFB churches.

 

[Salamander]

Clearly, the full and complete meaning of God's words in Greek are not conveyed in just these four English words. Acts 17:11 (KJV) --

These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.​

I will assert that the single English word "searched" is also inadequate. The word Luke wrote under the Holy Spirit's inspiration intended to communicate the example of investigating the scriptures deeply, a very thorough examination with intense scrutiny. "Searching" alone does not include these comparitive activities. In fact, the simple act of "searching" does not even imply the finding of anything.

:laugh: The context disagrees with that ascertain.

 

[Keith M]

Who "outlawed" the Geneva in America then? Wasn't the Geneva the Bible of choice by the pilgrims of the early 1600's???

To argue that the Geneva is somehow equal or better than the KJB is stupendous. The proof is that the KJB replaced the Geneva in this Republic which advertantly disposed of any English domination and fro every reason.

That's not valid reasoning, Salamander. If the Geneva Bible was no longer available in print, then of course people would get what they could get. Thus the KJV grew in circulation - not due to its superiority as you think but due to its availability. Tell me this: Can you go to a new car dealer and buy a new Model T right off the lot? Of course not, so you buy what you can get. So is it with the availability of Bibles and many other things.

 

[franklinmonroe]

The context disagrees with that ascertain.

For those that may reading this later I will point out now that "context" is a common Salamander response to any assertion he cannot otherwise legitimately refute. Notice that he offers no explanation or evidence of the alleged contextual misinterpretation.

 

[tinytim]

Who "outlawed" the Geneva in America then? Wasn't the Geneva the Bible of choice by the pilgrims of the early 1600's???

To argue that the Geneva is somehow equal or better than the KJB is stupendous. The proof is that the KJB replaced the Geneva in this Republic which advertantly disposed of any English domination and fro every reason.

Then you are not only against MVs, you are against anything God did except for in 1611.... amazing.

 

[tinytim]

Nope, still here, in our IFB churches.

Isn't that the truth...

I know a couple IFBs that would fit right in to Salem...:BangHead:

Actually, the IFBs of today had nothing to do with the puritans...
the Puritans wanted to "purify" the established church...

The IFBs today are more like the Seperatists.. Seperate from the established church....

 

[Ed Edwards]

Who "outlawed" the Geneva in America then? Wasn't the Geneva the Bible of choice by the pilgrims of the early 1600's???

The crown outlawed the Geneva Bible in American (prior
to the revolution. This effectively killed it. But a few copies
survived unto this age and it is now available in electronic
(read: 'can be Googled') form.

Here is how you get saved according to the
Geneva Bible:

Rom 10:9-10 (Geneva Bible, 1587 Edition):
For if thou shalt confesse with thy mouth
the Lord Iesus, and shalt beleeue in thine heart,
that God raised him vp from the dead,
thou shalt be saued:
10 For with the heart man beleeueth
vnto righteousnes, and with the mouth
man confesseth to saluation.

If your Bibles don't say UP in Romans 10:9 are you really saved
[this is a sarcastic humor, it is NOT a suggesting that any person
living or ed is NOT SAVED /I have no authority to do that/ ]

The proof is that the KJB replaced the Geneva
in this Republic which advertantly disposed of any English domination and fro every reason.

I call. What proof?

I understand the
KJV1762 Oxford Edition and the
KJV1769 Cambridge Edition cost
£3, of which £1 went to the Crown
of England. I suspect £1 was about
3 months wages for a skilled craftsman.

There were uniquely American Prints of
the KJVs which proudly bore the
lie: "AUTHORIZED VERSION". None of the
price of them when to the Crown.

It was 'unAmerican' to buy the KJVs
and pay homage/bribes/bounty to the Crown of England.

Not until the middle of the 20th century (1901-2000,
the middle would be 1950)
could you find 10,000 people who would say
the KJVs were better then other Bibles.

 

[gb93433]

Nope, still here, in our IFB churches.

What do you do with those who false asleep or nod off during the service?

 

[gb93433]

It is really too bad that Paul wasn't born later as an Englishman so he could have used the "perfect" Bible.

It is too bad that God in his infinite wisdom did not wait for Jesus to come later so he could have used the "perfect" Bible. However, God in His infinite wisdom chose a different time when English did not exist. According to the KJVO's God did not know what he was doing and got it all wrong because nobody had a "perfect" Bible before the KJV.

 

[Ed Edwards]

What do you do with those who
false asleep or nod off during the service?

Especially in the North part of the U.S. and in Canada
there is a need for cheap heating fuel.

 

[Salamander]

That's not valid reasoning, Salamander. If the Geneva Bible was no longer available in print, then of course people would get what they could get. Thus the KJV grew in circulation - not due to its superiority as you think but due to its availability. Tell me this: Can you go to a new car dealer and buy a new Model T right off the lot? Of course not, so you buy what you can get. So is it with the availability of Bibles and many other things.

Thank you for admitting the KJB was more like a Ferrari when compared to the Geneva being a Model T:laugh:

If your reasoning was valid on that ideal, then the NIV would have taken over due to the financial aspect alone. But then that alone is the opnly aspect the NIV could begin to advance in sales, gifts? :laugh:

I wouldn't be surprised if some one thought giving the NIV as a gift was some sort of infringement upon the copywrite laws.:tonofbricks:

The again, when you consider things in the realm of human reasoning is where you made your mistake. If the Lord didn't want the Geneva replaced it wouldn't have happened. If the Lord wanted the KJB replaced it would already have happened. Some woulod argue it is being replaced, but then the aspect of the degeneration of man as a wholistic approach to Christianity is concerned, has to be incorporated and would deny that as any form of a fact.:sleeping_2:

 

[Salamander]

For those that may reading this later I will point out now that "context" is a common Salamander response to any assertion he cannot otherwise legitimately refute. Notice that he offers no explanation or evidence of the alleged contextual misinterpretation.

So you would like to introduce some less of an understanding of the depth of their searching the Scriptures daily as some sort of "proof":laugh:

Seems when some one searches daily they are considering much more than you'd like to believe they did.

The KJB is very concise and therefore superior again.:sleeping_2:

 

[Salamander]

Then you are not only against MVs, you are against anything God did except for in 1611.... amazing.

Nope, that's a far stretch of the imagination there, TT.

 

[Salamander]

Isn't that the truth...

I know a couple IFBs that would fit right in to Salem...:BangHead:

Careful on your witchhunt there.

Actually, the IFBs of today had nothing to do with the puritans...
the Puritans wanted to "purify" the established church...

Actually the pilgrims were made up of more the Plymouth Brethren which were Puritans but then you have to take into consideration that the IFB's were in the underlayment all along and were established by those who believed in a closer walk with the Lord rather than the established form of religion attemtpted by men.

The IFBs today are more like the Seperatists.. Seperate from the established church....

Maybe in your neck opf the woods, but no one can dare attemtp to lump up IFB's into any one catagory such as you have and be accurate.

 

[Salamander]

Who "outlawed" the Geneva in America then? Wasn't the Geneva the Bible of choice by the pilgrims of the early 1600's???

The crown outlawed the Geneva Bible in American (prior
to the revolution. This effectively killed it. But a few copies
survived unto this age and it is now available in electronic
(read: 'can be Googled') form.

Here is how you get saved according to the
Geneva Bible:

Rom 10:9-10 (Geneva Bible, 1587 Edition):
For if thou shalt confesse with thy mouth
the Lord Iesus, and shalt beleeue in thine heart,
that God raised him vp from the dead,
thou shalt be saued:
10 For with the heart man beleeueth
vnto righteousnes, and with the mouth
man confesseth to saluation.

If your Bibles don't say UP in Romans 10:9 are you really saved
[this is a sarcastic humor, it is NOT a suggesting that any person
living or ed is NOT SAVED /I have no authority to do that/ ]



I call. What proof?

I understand the
KJV1762 Oxford Edition and the
KJV1769 Cambridge Edition cost
£3, of which £1 went to the Crown
of England. I suspect £1 was about
3 months wages for a skilled craftsman.

There were uniquely American Prints of
the KJVs which proudly bore the
lie: "AUTHORIZED VERSION". None of the
price of them when to the Crown.

It was 'unAmerican' to buy the KJVs
and pay homage/bribes/bounty to the Crown of England.

Not until the middle of the 20th century (1901-2000,
the middle would be 1950)
could you find 10,000 people who would say
the KJVs were better then other Bibles.

Pure conjecture and history is what proves you wrong.

 

[Salamander]

It is really too bad that Paul wasn't born later as an Englishman so he could have used the "perfect" Bible.

It is too bad that God in his infinite wisdom did not wait for Jesus to come later so he could have used the "perfect" Bible. However, God in His infinite wisdom chose a different time when English did not exist. According to the KJVO's God did not know what he was doing and got it all wrong because nobody had a "perfect" Bible before the KJV.

Not in the completed form as we have today, no.

 

[Salamander]

What do you do with those who false asleep or nod off during the service?

Let them keep dreaming and allowing myself to be in their dreams while I try to instill sound doctrine sublimily into their consciences. Having compassion and making a difference. Christians do need to improve,y'know.

 

[Salamander]

Especially in the North part of the U.S. and in Canada
there is a need for cheap heating fuel.

Yeah, especially since the South is getting overrun by them thar yankees trying to beat the high cost of heating fuel.:laugh:

 

[gb93433]

Let them keep dreaming and allowing myself to be in their dreams while I try to instill sound doctrine sublimily into their consciences. Having compassion and making a difference. Christians do need to improve,y'know.

If you do know what standard practice was for those who fell asleep, I hope that your church is not like that.