Have MV's caused more confusion than good?

[HankD]

Who "outlawed" the Geneva in America then? Wasn't the Geneva the Bible of choice by the pilgrims of the early 1600's???

To argue that the Geneva is somehow equal or better than the KJB is stupendous. The proof is that the KJB replaced the Geneva in this Republic which advertantly disposed of any English domination and fro every reason.

And the NIV is now replacing the KJV which according to the logic above is the "proof" that the NIV is better than KJV.

The NIV is the New International Version, the most read and most trusted modern English translation of the Bible. It was translated 30 years ago by more than 100 scholars, under the direction of the Committee on Bible Translation. Translators came from a wide variety of denominations and seminaries. The result was a translation that is both clear and accurate. To date, more than 215 million NIV Bibles have been sold or distributed. The NIV will continue to be the translation of choice for millions.

found online in the public domain at: http://www.zondervan.com/Cultures/en-US/Translations/FAQ.htm?QueryStringSite=Zondervan

HankD

 

[Keith M]

If you do know what standard practice was for those who fell asleep, I hope that your church is not like that.

Are you referring to the practice of someone with a long stick or pole walking up and down the aisles during the sermon and poking anyone in the pews who was falling asleep? i imagine that embarrassed many folks into staying awake!

 

[gb93433]

Are you referring to the practice of someone with a long stick or pole walking up and down the aisles during the sermon and poking anyone in the pews who was falling asleep? i imagine that embarrassed many folks into staying awake!

If I remember right it was much more severe than that.

 

[Salamander]

Your presumption is unfounded, for the question you asked gave full suggestion to a violent circumstance for those who "broke" the rule of congregational law.

You seem to be a judge of one's knowledge, or at least love to attack ones character to suggest that some one doesn't know what you do. That is annoying that people should act as if they know everything to those of us who do.

 

[Askjo]

And the NIV is now replacing the KJV which according to the logic above is the "proof" that the NIV is better than KJV.

Sound like these unbelieving scholars, W/H. Their new version, ERV, replaced the KJV. The question: Did The NIV replace the ERV?

 

[Salamander]

Who "outlawed" the Geneva in America then? Wasn't the Geneva the Bible of choice by the pilgrims of the early 1600's???

To argue that the Geneva is somehow equal or better than the KJB is stupendous. The proof is that the KJB replaced the Geneva in this Republic which advertantly disposed of any English domination and fro every reason. And the NIV is now replacing the KJV which according to the logic above is the "proof" that the NIV is better than KJV.

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The NIV is the New International Version, the most read and most trusted modern English translation of the Bible. It was translated 30 years ago by more than 100 scholars, under the direction of the Committee on Bible Translation. Translators came from a wide variety of denominations and seminaries. The result was a translation that is both clear and accurate. To date, more than 215 million NIV Bibles have been sold or distributed. The NIV will continue to be the translation of choice for millions.

found online in the public domain at: http://www.zondervan.com/Cultures/en...Site=Zondervan

HankD

HankD

Clear and accurate for what purpose??? It has been proven countless times the reading of the NIV suggests humanism.

Even our English word "human" comes from the Egyptian god "Hu" and then combined with another god "Min". It's no "accident" that the word is pronounced the way it is.

It's another thread to introduce, but are we "humans" or as the word of God tells us, "men"?

 

[Salamander]

If I remember right it was much more severe than that.

Were you there???:laugh:

The practice was called "flogging". It usually was first a smart little smack on the hand and for the second offence the shoes were removed and the arches of the feet "spanked".

Now, especially in the more liberal churches, they don't want to "offend" anyone so they let them sleep and never say anything harsh about it.:tonofbricks:

 

[Salamander]

Sound like these unbelieving scholars, W/H. Their new version, ERV, replaced the KJV. The question: Did The NIV replace the ERV?

The NIV, by those who esteem it worthy, is replacing the word of God.:tear:

 

[Ed Edwards]

Salamander: //The NIV is slipping off further into apostacy
with its humanistic psychological nuances when
compared to the Bible.//

I respectfully disagree. More pop-psychology comes
from the KJVs than from the NIV.

Salamander: //Clear and accurate for what purpose???
It has been proven countless times the reading
of the NIV suggests humanism.//

I respectfully disagree. The NIV does NOT suggest
humanism. I used the NIV for ten years or so
as my primary Bible for public and private devotions
and Bible teaching. I didn't have change any
of my doctrines either Baptist or Christian.

Salamander: //Even our English word "human" comes from
the Egyptian god "Hu" and then combined with another
god "Min". It's no "accident" that the word is pronounced the way it is.//
It's another thread to introduce, but are we "humans"
or as the word of God tells us, "men"?//

1. Tee hee. A word ('human') comes from two
Egyptian god's names and is bad; another word
'man' comes from one Egyptian god's name
and is good? That is illogical???

2. My dictionary suggests that 'human' comes
from a Latin word meaning 'man' (not from
Egypt).

3. I find it necessary to use the word 'human'
(sometimes 'mankind') to avoid sexist usage of 'man'
I find common among the narrow minded
Anyway, I've heard of 'human race' never 'man race'
among people who aren't otherwise racist.

Salamander: //The NIV, by those who esteem it worthy,
is replacing the word of God.//

Again, I respectfully disagree.
The NIV, by those who esteem it worthy,
is the word of God.

 

[Hope of Glory]

Who "outlawed" the Geneva in America then? Wasn't the Geneva the Bible of choice by the pilgrims of the early 1600's???

To argue that the Geneva is somehow equal or better than the KJB is stupendous. The proof is that the KJB replaced the Geneva in this Republic which advertantly disposed of any English domination and fro every reason.

So, then, using this logic, when the NIV or any other translation is used more than the KJV, then the new version will be superior. Right?

 

[Hope of Glory]

It is really too bad that Paul wasn't born later as an Englishman so he could have used the "perfect" Bible.

It is too bad that God in his infinite wisdom did not wait for Jesus to come later so he could have used the "perfect" Bible. However, God in His infinite wisdom chose a different time when English did not exist. According to the KJVO's God did not know what he was doing and got it all wrong because nobody had a "perfect" Bible before the KJV.

You mean Paul didn't speak English? Jesus didn't speak in the English vernacular of the 17th century?

Almost sounds blasphemous.

 

[NaasPreacher (C4K)]

So, then, using this logic, when the NIV or any other translation is used more than the KJV, then the new version will be superior. Right?

I am tempted to comment on the questionable etymology of the word "human" but that would only drag this thread further off topic.

If we can return to topic I will let it run a little longer, otherwise it will be closed.

 

[Keith M]

The NIV, by those who esteem it worthy, is replacing the word of God.:tear:

Uh, Salamander, the NIV IS the word of God. So is the NKJV, the NASB, the ESV and a host of other English Bible versions available today. You apparently haven't learned yet that there is a difference between English words and God's word. God's word (the plan of salvation) is perfectly preserved in all these versions as well as in the various KJVs.

 

[Keith M]

So, then, using this logic, when the NIV or any other translation is used more than the KJV, then the new version will be superior. Right?

Hope of Glory, Salamander's "logic" causes more confusion among those who don't know the truth than all the modern Bible versions combined. The MVs perfectly preserve God's word - the plan of salvation as He intended us to have it. Not one of the MVs teaches an alternate plan of salvation. The MVs, by pointing many down the road to salvation, have caused more good than confusion. The confusion lies among those who refuse to accept MVs as the word of God.

 

[Hope of Glory]

Not one of the MVs teaches an alternate plan of salvation.

Not only that, but every major text, and AFAIK, every single manuscript that we have presents the plan of salvation identically. Every single one of them has "believe" in the aorist tense, and "you will be saved" in the indicative. Except that some manuscripts add "Christ" to "Lord Jesus" in "believe on the Lord Jesus and you will be saved. Which, this does not change the plan of salvation, and is more of a contextual issue.

 

[Apreacher4Him]

All I have to say

All I have to say

is that it is a good thing that the KJV isn't copyrighted...

Because in a generation or two all of these, yes confusing translations will be
even greater in number and the ones people prise today will be long forgotten...

Even the NIV will not make it two more generations (it was after all only a NON T.R. "dynamic equivilen" revolt from the litteral KJV anyways - which it largely was successful at unfortunately) ... But, with all of the money driving these translation printings you can bet they will continue to feed the next curiosity.

If the KJV was copyrighted it would be in the hands of the wrong, confusing, transitory, NON T.R. people.... point being if you "ain't" translating from the correct text or your "ain't" translating literally... then you "ain't" providing a reliaible translation.... The KJV would be "out of print" faster than you could shake a stick...

I know many won't believe me, but the attack of the KJV has been on for years, but since it is not copyrighted the common man will have it so long as men speak English or Christ comes.
For that I am thankful...

God's providence has already proven the KJV to be an annointed translation work worthy of praise.... perfect? no... But, tried, tested, literal, translated from the Preserved T.R. absolutely.....

God save the KJV from the modern attacks, and the diluting of modern translations..

 

[Apreacher4Him]

P.s.

By the way, Baptist 4 Life,

Your in GREAT COMPANY....

Wycliffe and the K.J.V. Translaters (in their very preface) were also vehemently
against a proliferation of casual translations and multiplicity of readings for the
very reasons that you are humbly presenting against all these "intellectuals"

Well, you may not have the best arguments or the best writing skill;
you may not have the highest degree or position in a church, but you
my dear soul, are right!

God bless, and be encouraged.... I am outta hear...

In sincerity and truth,

- Michael

 

[Ed Edwards]

Apreacher4Him: //All I have to say
is that it is a good thing that the KJV isn't copyrighted... //

Tee hee

The KJV is copyrighted.
The Crown (Royal Family) has the copyright
(what do you think 'AUTHORIZED VERSION' means)/

However, it is unAmerican and unBaptist to
pay money to the Queen of England
or honor any King/Queen but Jesus.
So we act like the KJV isn't copyrighted, but
it is copyrighted.

 

[Apreacher4Him]

P.s.s.

LOL okay Ed... But thankfully the copyright is not like the others

The English Crown not withstanding lol (The KJV will be around alot longer than the modern dilutions that way). Thankfully..

But again,

By the way, Baptist 4 Life,

Your in GREAT COMPANY....

Wycliffe and the K.J.V. Translaters (in their very preface) were also vehemently
against a proliferation of casual translations and multiplicity of readings for the
very reasons that you are humbly presenting against all these "intellectuals"

Well, you may not have the best arguments or the best writing skill;
you may not have the highest degree or position in a church, but you
my dear soul, are right!

God bless, and be encouraged.... I am outta hear...

In sincerity and truth,

- Michael

 

[Baptist4life]

By the way, Baptist 4 Life,

Your in GREAT COMPANY....

Wycliffe and the K.J.V. Translaters (in their very preface) were also vehemently
against a proliferation of casual translations and multiplicity of readings for the
very reasons that you are humbly presenting against all these "intellectuals"

Well, you may not have the best arguments or the best writing skill;
you may not have the highest degree or position in a church, but you
my dear soul, are right!

God bless, and be encouraged.... I am outta hear...

In sincerity and truth,

- Michael

Thank you Michael........God bless you and yours...........prayers were sent for you! raying: