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Have you ever observed the speed limit? "AN UNLETTERED EXAMPLE #1: MARK 6:20 on "an holy, and observed him"

Alan Dale Gross

Well-Known Member

From Top 10 Problem Passages for the King James Bible Translation

by Craig Lantz, ThD, PhD, Theologian, Author, and Friend of Jesus.

So, for the Bible to say, "a just man and an holy, and observed him"

are a couple of the top ten Problems Passages in the King James Translation, is being a “Friend of Jesus”?

The ‘problem’ is not with the King James translation,
but with the lack of comprehending the English language.

Speak to all the congregation of the people of Israel and say to them, You shall be Holy,
for I the Lord your God Am Holy.”– Leviticus 19:2

In English, the indefinite articles are used to indicate membership in a group:
  • I am a teacher. (I am a member of a large group known as teachers.)
  • Brian is an Irishman. (Brian is a member of the people known as Irish.)
  • Seiko is a practicing Buddhist. (Seiko is a member of the group of people known as Buddhists.)

Question: Is ‘an holy’ thought of as 'one of a group that is holy'?

Answer: "Yes, in a foundational and spiritual sense, "holy" is fundamentally about belonging to a specific, sacred group or category rather than just describing moral perfection
."
  • "The Group: In ancient texts, calling a group of people "holy" means they are a distinct collective of individuals who have been consecrated, chosen, or dedicated for a special purpose."
“There is absolutely nothing wrong with saying "a just man and an holy." It is a beautiful, deeply traditional phrase. [1, 2]
  • “It sounds religious: The phrase is famously used in the Bible to describe John the Baptist
  • ("knowing that he was a just man and an holy"). People might assume you are quoting scripture or talking about a saint. [1]
“If you are using "an holy" in a religious or literary context, it is perfectly fine."

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Alan Dale Gross

Well-Known Member

Mark 6:20 - "observed him"

"For Herod feared John,

knowing that he was a just man and an holy, and observed him;

and when he heard him, he did many things, and heard him gladly."

From Top 10 Problem Passages for the King James Bible Translation

by Craig Lantz, ThD, PhD, Theologian, Author, and Friend of Jesus.

"The second point is that the phrase “and observed him is outdated in our modern English."

The ‘problem’, again, is not with the King James translation,
but with the lack of comprehending the English language.

Actually, "observed him is not outdated in our modern English language, in the least, even after over 400 years.

Have you ever observed the speed limit when you’re driving, to not break the law of the land?

The following is an excerpt from Dr. Thomas Holland's Crowned With Glory, ©2000;

"It is suggested that the phrase observed him is incorrect and should be translated kept him safe. [1] The problem is not with the translation, but with the lack of comprehending the English language.​

"According to Webster's Third New International Dictionary, the word observe comes from the Latin word observare, which means to watch, guard, and observe. [2]


"This agrees with Dr. John C. Traupman's Latin Dictionary which defines observare as "to watch, watch out for, take careful note of; to guard; to observe, keep, obey, comply with; to pay attention to, pay respect to." [3]

"Further, the Oxford English Dictionary offers the definition of observe as, "To regard with attention; to watch; to watch over, look after." [4]

"For the most part, we think of the word observe as meaning to watch, study, or take notice of.

"However, to observe also means to keep, protect, or preserve.


"For example, we speak of observing the speed limit.
We do not mean that we are watching how fast we travel down the road;
we mean we are obeying or keeping the law of the land.

"Some observe the Sabbath or a religious holiday. Again, this means they keep or respect the day.

"When the Coast Guard speaks of observing our shores, they are protecting them.


"So it is with forest rangers who set up observation posts for the purpose of protecting the wilderness.


"Both observe and preserve mean to keep something. This is why the same Greek word is used in Luke 2:19 and is translated as kept: "Mary kept all these things, and pondered them in her heart."

"The Greek word is suntereo. In The Analytical Greek Lexicon this word is defined as "to observe strictly, or to secure from harm, protect." [5]

"James H. Moulton and George Milligan note that one of the uses of this word in ancient non-literary writings was when "a veteran claims that in view of his long military service, exemption from public burdens ought to be 'strictly observed' in his case." [6]

"Clearly either observe or kept safe are proper translations."

Observed him.—The word has been differently interpreted, but Luke 2:19, where it is translated “kept,”
seems decisive as to its meaning that Herod had a certain reverence for his prisoner.

"In English, however, to “keep” a man is ambiguous,
and the observed of our version seems preferable on the whole to any other.”


Mark 6 Ellicott's Commentary for English Readers

[1] James R. White, The King James Only Controversy: Can You Trust the Modern Translations? (Minneapolis: Bethany House, 1995), 224-225.
[2] Webster's Third New International Dictionary, Philip Babcock Gove, editor (Springfield Massachusetts: Merriam-Webster Inc., 1981), 1558.
[3] John C. Traupman, Latin Dictionary (New York: Amsco School Publications, 1966), 200.
[4] The Oxford English Dictionary 2nd edition, J.A. Simpson and E.S.C. Weiner, editors. (Oxford: Clarendon Press, 1989), 1196 (compact edition).
[5] Harold K. Moulton, The Analytical Greek Lexicon (Grand Rapids: Zondervan), 392.
[6] James H. Moulton and George Milligan, The Vocabulary Of The Greek Testament (Grand Rapids: Eerdmans, 1949), 614.
 
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