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Have you EVER switched views?

Discussion in '2005 Archive' started by whetstone, May 16, 2005.

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  1. I have always accepted Total Inability

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  2. I have always rejected Total Inability

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  3. I used to accept it but now reject it

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  4. I used to reject it but now accept it

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  1. Wes Outwest

    Wes Outwest New Member

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    Where ya been Whetstone? Are you so brainwashed that you've rejected this entire C vs A debate Forum?

    How much do you want me to repeat?
     
  2. whetstone

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    Where ya been Whetstone? Are you so brainwashed that you've rejected this entire C vs A debate Forum?

    How much do you want me to repeat?
    </font>[/QUOTE]nothing. repeat nothing. just tell me how someone that is brainwashed is necessarily wrong.
     
  3. Wes Outwest

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    One who is 100% brainwashed, is:
    Always thinking in another's terms!
    Always acting in accordance with another's ideas!
    Always responding with another's answers!
    Always existing in another's realities!

    Has lost his God given uniqueness!
     
  4. whetstone

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    I would rather be:

    Always thinking in God's terms
    Always acting in accordance with God's ideas
    Always responding with God's answers
    Always existing in God's realities

    than be wrong.
     
  5. Wes Outwest

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    That, I guess, is your problem then, because what you post is not always what God says!

    God did not create us to always think in His terms, which by the way is an impossibility for man!

    God does expect us to act in accordance with His Ideats

    You cannot always respond with God's answers!

    Can man exist outside of God's Realities?
     
  6. whetstone

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    I agree. There are no polls in the Bible- or lists of misconceptions.

    Though an impossibility- it is indeed commanded.

    Phl 2:5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:

    Again- i agree. It's good to try though.

    no.
     
  7. rc

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    Once man relieves himself of bias and judges issues on the facts for the sincere quest for truth, and after MUCH study and finds it, will never let it go. I do not find anybody believing in 1 plus 1 is 3.

    Though spiritual issues are clouded with spiritual depravity the axiom can still be used as a litmus test...

    A GREAT number percentage wise of cults leave when understanding the gospel and become Christians, yet an amazing number of (so called) Christians go to a cult. Since the truth has enlightened true Christians they don't move to falshood....

    Funny comparison on how many Arminians leave to go to Paulinianism yet so few leave Paulinianism to go to Arminianism !
     
  8. BobRyan

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    I have never heard an Arminian say 'he left Paul' to become Arminian either.

    I guess it is because Paul frames his writing in an Arminian format as do the Gospels.

    Funny how that works out that way.
     
  9. rc

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    You don't understand the Joke.... as well as scripture I guess.... Paulinianism is Calvinistic thought.... Try reading Rom 9 and Eph. 1 ... Many go to Calvinism but very few go to Arminianism ...
     
  10. Wes Outwest

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    NO Paul's writings are not Calvinistic as you imply.

    No, Calvin did not receive Paul's permission to Claim Paul's writings as his own.

    Calvinism rejects too great a portion of Paul's writings to rightly claim them for itself.

    Having read both Romans 9 and Ephesians 1 many times, I can only say that Calvinistic interpretation of them is flawed and unsupportable! Calvinism misses the real meaning by looking for the needle in the haystack. It has been found and is constantly used to poke holes in virtually everthing a Calvinist disagrees with. That is, both Romans 9 and Ephesians 1 are the most misused of all the scriptures Calvinists claim for support!

    Paul was not Calvinist, and Calvin was not Pauline!
     
  11. rc

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    What garbage....
    And you don't answer the fact anyways of many coming to the truth of Calvinism and many leave the heretical teachings of Arminianism.
     
  12. Wes Outwest

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    Why do you demand that one be of either persuasion?

    Neither Calvin, nor Arminius has saved even one other from hell!
     
  13. rc

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    That's true... but the teachings of Calvin will drive one to repentance or damnation while Arminian teachings leaves men in control of a powerless God, begging to be their "friend".
     
  14. whetstone

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    what calvinist/arminian believes this?

    didn't think so.
     
  15. Wes Outwest

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    Not any more than merely reading the scriptures "drives one to repentance...."

    One need not have a label to be driven to repentance!

    Only A "shackled up" Calvinist would make the foolish claim that another persuasion believes in a "powerless God".
     
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    Can you by your theology HONESTLY pray for God to change someones HEART? ...

    NO... since that person ONLY has the free will.
    God is 'POWERLESS' to deal with him.

    My God says "Salvation is of THE LORD".
     
  17. Wes Outwest

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    Most assuredly can! You see, Peter tells us that Regeneration is through the Word of God,
    And it is, oddly, within the scope of God's activities to place his word conspicuously before the unbeliever so that the unbeliever is confronted by God's Word.
     
  18. rc

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    Yet He is still powerless, even His word to "Change" any person. He can't "force" anybody to believe... so it is still a weak God not being able to do anything but show people His weak Word and even His Word doesn't do anything unless the person who reads it "decides" to believe it.... weak, weak, weak.... I know so many people that have read the Bible plenty of times and yet "choose" not to believe... poor weak feeble God and His poor weak feeble Word... desperately crying out to the ever powerful MAN !
     
  19. Wes Outwest

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    You gravely underestimate the power of THE WORD!

    It has great power to persuade! And those who are so persuaded are those who accept it and believe in the truth it provides unto Salvation!
     
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    And you gravely underestimate the power of MAN then... since MAN can say no to this "persuasive" word... it's not that powerful is it... And if God wants NONE TO perrish, than I would assume that He would be VERY persuasive, but (you just keep on proving my point) like I said at the begininng NOT PERSUASIVE ENOUGH TO change man !!! It's up to man not God. Him being persuasive HAS NOTHING to do with it! As you said yourself the ones persuaded are the ones who ACCEPT it...
     
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