He Must Be Worried . . .

[Aaron]

... that the truth has gotten out now.

https://www.americanthinker.com/art...t_protect_against_serious_covid_or_death.html

The disturbing part of this is that the vaccinators have known about the vaccine failure at least from the early summer. But rather than calling off the worldwide vaccination drives that have injected hundreds of millions of people with ineffective substances, the vaccinators changed their tack and argued that even though the vaccines will not protect you from infection they will still keep you from serious Covid and death.

Last week, however, this lie was also put to rest by none other than Dr. Fauci himself.

How, then, should we describe vaccines that:

Do not protect their recipients from getting infected and infecting others, and

Do not protect their recipients against hospitalization and death?​

 

[Wingman68]

Zuby is relentlessly priceless:

 

[KenH]

"You are the research."

Glad I could help out.

 

[DaveXR650]

That American Thinker article talks about the tendency of the vaccine to wane in effectiveness over time - especially beyond 6 months. There was nothing in that article proving that vaccination is a failure. In fairness to you, you did post the article so people can read it for themselves. I told my wife last spring that there will come a time when everyone who wants a vaccine will have gotten one. At that time I expect all the requirements and everything else to stop or there will be big problems. They didn't stop and so here we are.

 

[Two Wings]

Lone Waddie! Nice!

A shot of hope didn't include the expectation of semi-annual boosters.

I guess we can pirouette around that if so desired ... but I expect no one here thought boosters would be needed inside of 12 months yet here we are. I wouldn't consider THAT to be a success.

I think everyone who wanted a cv vax had one by approx Aug '21. After that, it was coercion.

 

[Two Wings]

 

[Martin Marprelate]

https://archbishopcranmer.com/durham-cathedral-demands-covid-passports-for-christmas-worship/
I should point out that this is nothing to do with the UK Government or even the Church of England as a whole (yet). It is a decision solely by the Bishop of Durham and his minions.

 

[DaveXR650]

Yes. That's about the date I had in mind too. Most people from the beginning thought an annual booster would be needed. But 6 months is truly disappointing. The fact that you can still transmit it after being vaccinated is extremely disappointing. And it takes away all arguments for required vaccinations. It is also disappointing that the natural Covid immunity if you get the disease only lasts 2 months longer based on antibody studies. It has proven fairly safe. Yes we that have gotten the vaccine are the research. I also think Trump deserves credit for expediting the development of the vaccine - statistical analysis shows it probably saved 70,000 lives so far and he should get some credit for that.

I think everyone who wanted a cv vax had one by approx Aug '21. After that, it was coercion.

 

[Wingman68]

Lone Waddie! Nice!

A shot of hope didn't include the expectation of semi-annual boosters.

I guess we can pirouette around that if so desired ... but I expect no one here thought boosters would be needed inside of 12 months yet here we are. I wouldn't consider THAT to be a success.

I think everyone who wanted a cv vax had one by approx Aug '21. After that, it was coercion.

 

[Two Wings]

if you get the disease only lasts 2 months longer based on antibody studies.

I've said this once or twice ... the lack of antibodies present does NOT mean no immunity. IDK why this keeps getting repeated as a necessary circumstance. A naturally infected (which seems to infer there are unnatural infections --- like perhaps from the jabs???) recovery has immunity ... the best immunity because it's based upon the entire virus, not one facet of the virus. And this is accomplished without a 6 month-long production of spike protein. There is going to be a revelation about this spike protein production in '22 and '23. Not EVERYONE will have major side effects, but a LOT will.

I don't wish it ... but hey ... we make the best decision we can with the information we have at the time. the information we had is essentially bumpkiss beyond Fauxchi et al ... simply encouraging/demanding/coercing acceptance of the jab.

55 years to get the data which should have been available before the jabs were rolled-out in December '20.

 

[DaveXR650]

Antibody titers have been used for years to assess effectiveness of all types of vaccines. They have a bearing on the odds of getting infected. I have always agreed with Rand Paul that natural immunity is better than a vaccine in all diseases I have heard of - but you do have the hassle of going through the illness. Covid is in a family of viruses which are notorious for not giving humans long term immunity. And people are getting second and even third clinical infections of Covid.

You should do what you want and the government should not tell you what to do. I sense some animosity here towards anyone who says anything good about vaccines. I hope fellow members of your church do not sense this - unless of course you are all of one mind. It's no problem personally with me as I don't particularly care.

 

[Two Wings]

I hope fellow members of your church do not sense this - unless of course you are all of one mind.

frankly ... this is a primary reason I've throttled WAY back. FAR too many people have consumed the narrative from the CDC; "hook, line, & sinker" even being so bold as to slander those who do not see this situation the same way.

If anyone asks me, I'll recommend against the mRNA CV19 vax just because of the risk/reward ratio. I mean, how do we statistically know if we've improved upon the the survivability rate when it's already 99+% overall. In specific demographic, it's almost 100% survivable. The jab? well ... that's TBD at best.

While my pastor was on sabbatical in August, I was one of a handful of guys who substituted for his mens Bible study on Wednesday night. Many faces unknown to me ... but that's a good thing. I wasa frustrated by the fact we couldn't get past a single discussion point from the passages without having an exchange about covid ... somehow. And every one of 'em went to denigrating those who would not take the shot.

So ... rather than argue ... I've simply been absent from the body and have been praying about whether I should remain at this congregation.

IDK why I'm sharing this ... perhaps to show others in a similar situation: you're not alone ... and in fact this has been foretold; all this strife from virtually all relationships, as the removal of the restrainer occurs in the Last Days.

So ... I'm optimistic overall because I know Who holds the future. However, it's a personal struggle to accept the change in the relationships and show the grace shown to me.

 

[DaveXR650]

That's good. And I don't blame anyone who at this point doesn't trust any of the government entities. This is a debate forum so we can go at it but it's sad if you feel uncomfortable at your church if you don't want the vaccine. It seems like everybody's on edge.

 

[Two Wings]

It seems like everybody's on edge

very much.

The unsettling started with the mask nonsense. I worked through the "show grace" element of our faith but the jab is a bridge too far. Can't undo THAT. I can don a face diaper for an hour, though they sure put a ... damper ... on congregational singing.

I believe this is one of those examples where truth was sacrificed for feelings.

So, it's been better for me to simply avoid the issue for myself, but at least as importantly, reminding others by my presence ... they're scared. Despite all the "fear nots" in the Book which we claim to proclaim.