He thought of his glory?

[SheepWhisperer]

I have agreed with you that God thinks of mankind.

Concerning whether or not Jesus considered glorifying Himself and His Father to be His chief aim.....

If you consider the prayer that Jesus prayed in John 17, you must see the context. This is immediately prior to His arrest and crucifixion. He says that His time had come, obviously referring to His crucifixion and death. He explains the significance of His crucifixion and death by saying He will be glorifying Himself and His Father.

It is clear that glorifying Himself and His Father was the first thing he mentioned when explaining the significance of His crucifixion and death.

I don't see a problem with saying glorifying Himself and His Father to be His chief aim, since Jesus placed so much emphasis on it Himself.

However, perhaps you might agree that glorifying Himself was at least part of His intention... Maybe 4th or 5th or 15th or 20th. Can you agree that Jesus did in fact intend to glorify Himself and His Father by His sacrifice?

I never said it wasn't. Piper teaches that "glorifying Himself" is God's "chief aim""above all"; not just "part of His intention".

 

[Yeshua1]

The Cross gives all the Glory onto the Father and Jesus Christ!

 

[SheepWhisperer]

The glory was in "declaring" His love, by the cross, to us. God is love.

 

[canadyjd]

I never said it wasn't. Piper teaches that "glorifying Himself" is God's "chief aim""above all"; not just "part of His intention".

Ok. I thought you said that if Jesus was thinking of His own glory, that would make Him selfish. John 17 is clearly at odds with that statement.

We can disagree over the "chief aim" comment.

Peace to you.

 

[SheepWhisperer]

I said:

Saying that Jesus was "thinking of His own glory" on the cross makes him out to be selfish and it is contrary to the Word of God.

"who for the joy set before him, endured the cross......"
"father forgive them, for they know not what they do"
"woman behold thy son..." "behold thy mother"
"this day thou shalt be with me in paradise"

By the account, he was thinking of "joy" and "others". God is love.

 

[canadyjd]

I said:


"who for the joy set before him, endured the cross......"
"father forgive them, for they know not what they do"
"woman behold thy son..." "behold thy mother"
"this day thou shalt be with me in paradise"

By the account, he was thinking of "joy" and "others". God is love.

John 17