faith healed no one, as its the God faith placed in who does!
WoF heretics state that they want all of the promises for health and wealth of the OC, do you accept the curses also?
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WoF heretics state that they want all of the promises for health and wealth of the OC, do you accept the curses also?
Physical healing not provided for in the Atonement except for the resurrected promised all of us by Christ!So you believe believers can be healed by faith in Christ's atonement and not have to trust in gifted healers for healing?
Apostolic healing today not the norm!Thorn in 2 Corinthians 12 is mentioned in order to prevent self exaltation and encourage faith in His grace. Thorn is not a norm.
Must be Hagin, Copeland, and that gang!My guess is, you don't take Genesis literally and don't understand the fall and the curse, which will be with us until Christ returns. I'd be curious what teachers you're following, teaching you you're guaranteed physical healing prior to glorification. You're going to be very disappointed. Hopefully not shipwrecked.
My guess is, you don't take Genesis literally and don't understand the fall and the curse, which will be with us until Christ returns. I'd be curious what teachers you're following, teaching you you're guaranteed physical healing prior to glorification. You're going to be very disappointed. Hopefully not shipwrecked.
That which reverses the curse is not the day of consummation but Christ's atonement. Believe for healing rather than excuse yourself over your little faith.
We are called to look to Jesus with faith.
Faith pleases God (Hebrews11:6) not the sicknesses of Christians! If so, he would've created adam and eve with sicknesses.
If you want to remain sick, go ahead & remain sick. But don't make it a doctrine and discourage other christians who want to be healed.
Don't confuse between bodily redemption and healing by faith. This topic is on healing by faith in Christ's atonement (Isaiah 53:4; Mathew 8:17).
Remember, there are "consequences" for refusal to believe in Christ's atonement. Don't confuse those "consequences" with genuine suffering which helps to grow in faith.
Suffering hardship without faith Christ's atonement saves from the hardship is not Biblical.
Must be Hagin, Copeland, and that gang!
Why the need for healing after the death & resurrection of a christian, if not now? That's absurd.
Moreover concluding "healing is not guaranteed" based on sight of instances when christians were not healed is wrong as christian life is assumed to be a walk by sight rather than a walk by faith.
Instances when christians were not healed are to be seen as opportunities to grow in faith and as tests of faith.
- Further, healing is clearly included in Christ's atonement as stated in Isaiah 53:4 & emphasised in Mathew 8:17. So if someone is not guaranteed of healing, his faith is little and needs to grow.
- Even after God has revealed His willingness to heal through Christ's atonement, justifying sicknesses using God's sovereignty is only a cover up for the little faith and shows reluctance to grow in faith. Talk of sovereignty without faith is empty as sovereignty works through faith.
Don't be obsessed with that gang. Look to Jesus.
Apostolic healing today not the norm!
Don't spoil christians by always praying for them. Instead teach them faith so they start to pray for themselves by faith! Being prayed for isn't faith. Instead faith is trusting God and praying to Him for one's own healing in the absence of external support.
Genuineness of faith is seen in the absence of support especially from the local church. That is why Gods sends persecution and breaks apart the local churches.
Local churches, gifted healers & medical doctors etc become long term unnecessary crutches which eventually weaken the limbs of faith.
Don't be obsessed with the apostolic healing!
Are you calling into question my salvation?
Healing is in the atonement as salvation is. Read Isaiah 53:4 & Mathew 8:17. If healing through faith in the atonement is not applicable now, how can salvation from wrath be applicable now?
No where in the NT does it state physical healing was in the Atonement! IK fact, Jesus and Apostles very clear that sin and suffering will be our lot, but that we have now peace with and of God, and the Holy Spirit enabling us to see it thru!That which reverses the curse is not the day of consummation but Christ's atonement. Believe for healing rather than excuse yourself over your little faith.
We are called to look to Jesus with faith.
Faith pleases God (Hebrews11:6) not the sicknesses of Christians! If so, he would've created adam and eve with sicknesses.
If you want to remain sick, go ahead & remain sick. But don't make it a doctrine and discourage other christians who want to be healed.
Don't confuse between bodily redemption and healing by faith. This topic is on healing by faith in Christ's atonement (Isaiah 53:4; Mathew 8:17).
Remember, there are "consequences" for refusal to believe in Christ's atonement. Don't confuse those "consequences" with genuine suffering which helps to grow in faith.
Suffering hardship without faith Christ's atonement saves from the hardship is not Biblical.
Are you getting youe theology from hagin, Copeland, or who?
You do know that the false prosperity and healing Gospel was around even in time of Paul, as he mocked them as being "super saints", while he and his fellow Apostles suffered sickness, hungry and persecutions for cause of Christ!Why the need for healing after the death & resurrection of a christian, if not now? That's absurd.
Moreover concluding "healing is not guaranteed" based on sight of instances when christians were not healed is wrong as christian life is assumed to be a walk by sight rather than a walk by faith.
Instances when christians were not healed are to be seen as opportunities to grow in faith and as tests of faith.
- Further, healing is clearly included in Christ's atonement as stated in Isaiah 53:4 & emphasised in Mathew 8:17. So if someone is not guaranteed of healing, his faith is little and needs to grow.
- Even after God has revealed His willingness to heal through Christ's atonement, justifying sicknesses using God's sovereignty is only a cover up for the little faith and shows reluctance to grow in faith. Talk of sovereignty without faith is empty as sovereignty works through faith.
Don't be obsessed with that gang. Look to Jesus.
God normally works thru medicine and drs and Hospitals, and have you ever wondered why oral Roberts Hospital has same death rates as any other one?Don't spoil christians by always praying for them. Instead teach them faith so they start to pray for themselves by faith! Being prayed for isn't faith. Instead faith is trusting God and praying to Him for one's own healing in the absence of external support.
Genuineness of faith is seen in the absence of support especially from the local church. That is why Gods sends persecution and breaks apart the local churches.
Local churches, gifted healers & medical doctors etc become long term unnecessary crutches which eventually weaken the limbs of faith.
Don't be obsessed with the apostolic healing!
Peter commented upon Isaiah and stated that we were spiritually healed from our sins, so that was the Holy Spirit commentary!Healing is in the atonement as salvation is. Read Isaiah 53:4 & Mathew 8:17. If healing through faith in the atonement is not applicable now, how can salvation from wrath be applicable now?
No where in the NT does it state physical healing was in the Atonement! IK fact, Jesus and Apostles very clear that sin and suffering will be our lot, but that we have now peace with and of God, and the Holy Spirit enabling us to see it thru!
Are you getting youe theology from hagin, Copeland, or who?
So be it according to your faith and remain sick.
Did Jesus & the Apostles say "As faith to heal will cease in the NT era, construct plenty of hospitals as God can heal only through doctors?
Repent from getting your theology from evolutionists.
Peter commented upon Isaiah and stated that we were spiritually healed from our sins, so that was the Holy Spirit commentary!
Nonsense. Isaiah 53:4: "Surely he has borne our sickness, and carried our suffering; yet we considered him plagued, struck by God, and afflicted".
Mathew 8:
16 When evening came, they brought to him many possessed with demons. He cast out the spirits with a word, and healed all who were sick;
8:17 that it might be fulfilled which was spoken through Isaiah the prophet, saying: "He took our infirmities, and bore our diseases."
Start reading the bible.
You do know that the false prosperity and healing Gospel was around even in time of Paul, as he mocked them as being "super saints", while he and his fellow Apostles suffered sickness, hungry and persecutions for cause of Christ!
Hebrews 11:
11:33 who, through faith subdued kingdoms, worked out righteousness, obtained promises, stopped the mouths of lions,
11:34 quenched the power of fire, escaped the edge of the sword, from weakness were made strong, grew mighty in war, and turned to flight armies of aliens.
11:35 Women received their dead by resurrection.
Don't scoff at faith as the Pharisees.
There shall always be sickness among even the saved, but the great news is that His grace is sufficient, and that one day all of us shall have divine health in a risen and glorified body!So be it according to your faith and remain sick.
Did Jesus & the Apostles say "As faith to heal will cease in the NT era, construct plenty of hospitals as God can heal only through doctors?
Repent from getting your theology from evolutionists.
Jesus was God incarnate and could and did heal, none have that power to do such today!Nonsense. Isaiah 53:4: "Surely he has borne our sickness, and carried our suffering; yet we considered him plagued, struck by God, and afflicted".
Mathew 8:
16 When evening came, they brought to him many possessed with demons. He cast out the spirits with a word, and healed all who were sick;
8:17 that it might be fulfilled which was spoken through Isaiah the prophet, saying: "He took our infirmities, and bore our diseases."
Start reading the bible.
keep going, as many also were cut in half, destitute, tortured, and were poor and needy!Hebrews 11:
11:33 who, through faith subdued kingdoms, worked out righteousness, obtained promises, stopped the mouths of lions,
11:34 quenched the power of fire, escaped the edge of the sword, from weakness were made strong, grew mighty in war, and turned to flight armies of aliens.
11:35 Women received their dead by resurrection.
Don't scoff at faith as the Pharisees.
where are you getting your theology from, as not from scriptures, were your teacher, Hagin, Copeland and Hinn?Hebrews 11:
11:33 who, through faith subdued kingdoms, worked out righteousness, obtained promises, stopped the mouths of lions,
11:34 quenched the power of fire, escaped the edge of the sword, from weakness were made strong, grew mighty in war, and turned to flight armies of aliens.
11:35 Women received their dead by resurrection.
Don't scoff at faith as the Pharisees.
where are you getting your theology from, as not from scriptures, were your teacher, Hagin, Copeland and Hinn?
Are you scared to see verses which attest to faith healing God's people?
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