Health Benefits of Tongues

[plain_n_simple]

Dr. Carl Peterson made a study, but he is tainted with scandal and came from ORU, so I gave a bad example for most here, though the study has been duplicated with the same results. In essence, the part of the brain that controls speech is almost shut down, and another part is highly active only while praying tongues. It also releases two chemicals that greatly enhance the immune system. Google it and choose your author. All I can really say is that it works in my walk.

 

[Iconoclast]

Only those who have been baptized in the Holy Ghost may enter the Holy of Holies, but your in the temple.

:laugh:


not all are Spirit baptized....

Even if a Christian rejects praying in tongues, while they are in their prayer closet, or quiet place to pray, they should be groaning and making odd noises continually if the Holy Spirit is interceding for them.

so.....random odd groaning noises=spirit filled........interesting.........

 

[Revmitchell]

I can groan without the HG and often do. Not sure I am seeing any health benefits from it though. My grandfather used to tell me the more you groan the older you get. (Yes I did put that in the right order)

 

[Yeshua1]

so.....random odd groaning noises=spirit filled........interesting.........[/COLOR]

Guess there will be 2 differing places in heaven, one for those who did not speak in tongues, and those who did!

 

[plain_n_simple]

I can groan without the HG and often do. Not sure I am seeing any health benefits from it though. My grandfather used to tell me the more you groan the older you get. (Yes I did put that in the right order)

lol, thanx rev

 

[BobRyan]

Paul claims that the gift is to be used in service to other and that the gift of tongues is "for a sign to unbelievers" while the gift of prophecy is a sign to "believers".

In 1Cor 14 Paul says "tongues is a sign to unbelievers" - while prophecy is a sign for believers.

What unbeliever benefits from someone praying alone - by themselves in tongues - intending that no human ear should hear it??

So how then is praying in your closet a "sign to unbelievers"??

"For if I pray in a tongue, my spirit prays but my mind is unfruitful. What am I to do? I will pray with my spirit, but I will pray with my mind also;....."

The mind prays with thought and words understandable to the person praying, and others who understand English for instance. Praying in thought without audible words is valid praying but shouldn't be mistaken for praying in the spirit.

“In the same way, the Spirit helps us in our weakness. We do not know what we ought to pray for, but the Spirit himself intercedes for us with groans that words cannot express.”

Even if a Christian rejects praying in tongues, while they are in their prayer closet, or quiet place to pray, they should be groaning and making odd noises continually if the Holy Spirit is interceding for them. Otherwise, the person can pray legible words and even biblical prayers that may be fruitful, but he is not praying in the Spirit, which is better, according to scripture.

In 1Cor 14 (quoted above) Paul is arguing for ways to avoid the abuse of the gift that is intended to serve the church primarily as a "sign to unbelievers".

Only the Act 2 version where "we hear them speak in our own native tongue" fulfills that specification.

Thus in 1Cor 14 Paul is dealing with the form of tongues seen in Acts 2.

Another indicator is that in 1Cor 14 Paul speaks in tongues more than the entire church put together - that cannot be a reference to the sort of tongues that is promoted in modern times because there is no way for 1 person to out talk an entire congregation -- without violating almost every command in scripture on the subject of letting your words be few.

So it has to be "languages" and Paul is claiming to speak a wider variety of actual languages via the supernatural gift of tongues - than the entire church has gifted to them.

in Christ,

Bob

 

[plain_n_simple]

It's not for you.

 

[BobRyan]

The Bible is for me - and it exposes the flaws in the modern day claims for tongues that are refuted by the Bible.

Since my doctrines are all subject to sola scriptura testing - then the false tongues of today - are not for me.

in Christ,

Bob

 

[JonC]

Dr. Carl Peterson made a study, but he is tainted with scandal and came from ORU, so I gave a bad example for most here, though the study has been duplicated with the same results. In essence, the part of the brain that controls speech is almost shut down, and another part is highly active only while praying tongues. It also releases two chemicals that greatly enhance the immune system. Google it and choose your author. All I can really say is that it works in my walk.

When you pray in tongues, is it something that you set out to do (e.g., set aside time for the purpose of "praying in tongues") or is it something that occurs as you are in prayer? Also, is there a difference between praying and speaking in tongues?

(And I apologize if my question appears ignorant...but it is out of ignorance that I ask).

 

[plain_n_simple]

When you pray in tongues, is it something that you set out to do (e.g., set aside time for the purpose of "praying in tongues") or is it something that occurs as you are in prayer? Also, is there a difference between praying and speaking in tongues?

(And I apologize if my question appears ignorant...but it is out of ignorance that I ask).

Yes, it is something I do on purpose, with the Spirit giving utterance.

There is a difference between praying and speaking.

 

[JonC]

Yes, it is something I do on purpose, with the Spirit giving utterance.



There is a difference between praying and speaking.

I can understand the difference (both in principle and in practice). Speaking in tongues was a sign to the unbeliever while praying is for the benefit of the individual.

Do you "speak in tongues" as well?

 

[matt wade]

In essence, the part of the brain that controls speech is almost shut down, and another part is highly active only while praying tongues.

Yes, it's the part that identifies people as wackos.

 

[plain_n_simple]

I can understand the difference (both in principle and in practice). Speaking in tongues was a sign to the unbeliever while praying is for the benefit of the individual.

Do you "speak in tongues" as well?

No. I have seen it a few times but in one church, the same two people did it 5 Sundays in a row, nothing edifying so I felt it false. Or rather I wasn't convinced that The Spirit spoke.

 

[JonC]

No. I have seen it a few times but in one church, the same two people did it 5 Sundays in a row, nothing edifying so I felt it false. Or rather I wasn't convinced that The Spirit spoke.

Although I have been baptized in the Spirit, I have never spoken in tongues. I am not opposed to the practice if conducted biblically (which is the rub, I've never heard of it practiced biblically ... that is as a sign to the unbeliever). So I am skeptical but not so against the practice that I really care to stand against what is for me a hypothetical issue (the biblical exercise of tongues). I find it interesting (both legitimate claims and obvious fraudulent abuses). So I am not saying that I disagree with you...only that I do not agree.

Anyway, thank you for answering my questions. And I have another...when you say you pray in tongues, is this something that you do in private or is this something done within a congregation?

BTW, this is probably more along the lines of what you were looking for....I think..:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZbQBajYnEc

 

[BobRyan]

There is a difference between praying and speaking.

Not in the actual Bible when it comes to tongues - it is the same gift in both and 1Cor 14 does not say that they pray in a different tongue than they speak - in fact if the Holy Spirit is "in charge" it is pretty hard to tell Him which language to use.

What is mare 1Cor 14 says that prophecy is under direct control of the Holy Spirit -and that tongues is not.

But I say this because the Word of God - the Bible -- is for me.

in Christ,

Bob

 

[Yeshua1]

Although I have been baptized in the Spirit, I have never spoken in tongues. I am not opposed to the practice if conducted biblically (which is the rub, I've never heard of it practiced biblically ... that is as a sign to the unbeliever). So I am skeptical but not so against the practice that I really care to stand against what is for me a hypothetical issue (the biblical exercise of tongues). I find it interesting (both legitimate claims and obvious fraudulent abuses). So I am not saying that I disagree with you...only that I do not agree.

Anyway, thank you for answering my questions. And I have another...when you say you pray in tongues, is this something that you do in private or is this something done within a congregation?

BTW, this is probably more along the lines of what you were looking for....I think..:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZbQBajYnEc

The biblical truth is that there are NO scriptues to support it as being a "private tongue to God", and that the purpose of tongues were to confirm to the earliest church that non jews were also saved by Jesus, and that God used the Spirit to confirm by word his will and the teachings of the Apostles, but that all ceased with Apostle John, as NO modern prophets/Apostles since that time!

 

[JonC]

The biblical truth is that there are NO scriptues to support it as being a "private tongue to God", and that the purpose of tongues were to confirm to the earliest church that non jews were also saved by Jesus, and that God used the Spirit to confirm by word his will and the teachings of the Apostles, but that all ceased with Apostle John, as NO modern prophets/Apostles since that time!

I agree. However there is just as much "biblical support" for our position as there is for the opposing view. That is what you need to understand. Nowhere in Scripture does it say "with the completion of the canon" or "with the death of the apostles" sign gifts will cease. We infer this in and through Scripture, but you cannot justify your view based solely on Scripture. We reason out why these gifts don't exist based on their purpose in the New Testament and our perception that they can no longer function with that specific purpose.

 

[Yeshua1]

I agree. However there is just as much "biblical support" for our position as there is for the opposing view. That is what you need to understand. Nowhere in Scripture does it say "with the completion of the canon" or "with the death of the apostles" sign gifts will cease. We infer this in and through Scripture, but you cannot justify your view based solely on Scripture. We reason out why these gifts don't exist based on their purpose in the New Testament and our perception that they can no longer function with that specific purpose.

Except that the expressed and given purpose for tongues ceased to exist though, as we have no need to validate the Apostolic teachings concerning jesus any more, nor need any additional revelations from God concerning faith and teachings, which those holding to modern day Apostles/prophets say is true!

 

[BobRyan]

I agree. However there is just as much "biblical support" for our position as there is for the opposing view. That is what you need to understand. Nowhere in Scripture does it say "with the completion of the canon" or "with the death of the apostles" sign gifts will cease. We infer this in and through Scripture, but you cannot justify your view based solely on Scripture. We reason out why these gifts don't exist based on their purpose in the New Testament and our perception that they can no longer function with that specific purpose.

irrefutably correct. No text says "these are SIGN gifts and they will cease in about 50 years or whenever John dies"

In fact in my opposition to the modern day false manifestations - I never argue it based on the speculation that God has put a stop to spiritual gifts.

Such a position would "also" be wrong - so can't go there.

in Christ,

Bob

 

[Yeshua1]

irrefutably correct. No text says "these are SIGN gifts and they will cease in about 50 years or whenever John dies"

In fact in my opposition to the modern day false manifestations - I never argue it based on the speculation that God has put a stop to spiritual gifts.

Such a position would "also" be wrong - so can't go there.

in Christ,

Bob

We DO know that the scriptures clearly tell us that God ceased giving ANY additional revelations since Apostle John died, so that includes your so called prophetess!