Heaven or Earth

[righteousdude2]

I love it when hearts can agree!

This.... :thumbs:

YOu and I will be there together, and I think all our disagreements will be settled in one fell swoop of the sword of righteousness! :wavey: :thumbsup: :smilewinkgrin:

 

[Tom Butler]

I think it will be this earth. Like our bodies, all creation will be resurrected from the curse of sin. To wipe his hands to this earth and start over is an admission sin won over His creation. The New Jerusalem will be on this resurrected earth in this resurrected universe.

This is what I think, too.

 

[webdog]

I can't believe this is even an issue. (actually I can, most Christians are Bible-illiterate)

Humans were created to have a body (point of the resurrection) and to live in a material world (earth). God's goal has never been to take his people out of the world (i.e. rapture theology) but rather to live with them in their world. That's the point of the garden of Eden, of the tabernacling presence of God in the ark of the covenant, of the temple, of Jesus as the new temple and Emmanuel and "I am with you always", of the Spirit in us, the body of Christ as the temple, & yes the new heaven and new earth where, "the dwelling place of God is with man. He will dwell with them, and they will be his people, and God himself will be with them as their God" (Rev. 21:3)!!!

Christians who want heaven haven't read their Bible. I want new creation. I want paradise restored on this earth. Most of all, I want to be in the presence of God as he is dwelling amongst us!

We agree about this earth, but the rapture has nothing to do with it. As in other acts of wrath, the righteous are removed from the impending judgement. It is temporary.

 

[Greektim]

We agree about this earth, but the rapture has nothing to do with it. As in other acts of wrath, the righteous are removed from the impending judgement. It is temporary.

You tell that to the people who talk about how great it is going to be "when we all get to heaven" and never once give a single mention to new creation and resurrection. It has bred a generation of believers to look forward to a neo-Platonic, almost Gnostic desire for a bodiless existence on some ethereal plane.

Rapture theology may not actually teach that, but it has been used (and abused) to make the above conclusion.

But I still think the case stands: if God's goal is to live w/ his people on the earth, then why take his people out of the world? Is he not able to protect his people while leaving them in the world?

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

That is a strange thing for a believer to say. I know JW's say that and they will get their wish. The thing is every saint will be in heaven for at least some period of time. I am just thinking we will be sent back to the re-created earth to spend eternity.

Yea, but I'm tired of hearing about it. Cant ya talk about life on this side of death? People are tired of hearing about eternal life when they gotta muddle through this life. Tim....and I mean real tired.

 

[ShagNappy]

YOu and I will be there together, and I think all our disagreements will be settled in one fell swoop of the sword of righteousness! :wavey: :thumbsup:

:godisgood::thumbsup: