Hebrews 10:14

[Darrell C]

Hebrews 10:14 NASB
For by one offering he has perfected for all time those who are made holy.

This verse is frequently poorly translated, as in the case above by the NASB.

What is the "one offering?" The sacrifice of Christ's life on the cross.

What does it mean to be Perfected? To be made perfect, complete, blameless and holy, able to be united with the holiness of God and His perfected chosen ones. Able to enter heaven, the abode of God.

For all time simply refers to the fact, once a person has been perfected, that perfect state is for eternity, never to be lost or diminished.

"Those who are made holy" misses the action of the verb, which is to be set apart in Christ, thus undergoing the washing of regeneration, which results in perfect righteousness.

Unity, God in Christ, Christ in Us, Us in Christ.

You are absolutely correct—this verse is frequently the victim of poor interpretation.

You were correct about the "one offering" referring to Christ's sacrifice, though.



The sanctification in Hebrews 10 is positional, not progressive. The One Sacrifice of Christ is contrasted with the sacrifices of the Law. By those sacrifices they were made holy (in standing) but they were not made complete:


Hebrews 10
King James Version

1 For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.

2 For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins.

4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.


That's why they were continually offered.


9 Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.

10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.


This positional sanctification is a one-time process accomplished by His Sacrifice.

Now, v.10 speaks of what that sanctification accomplishes:


14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.


Whereas the Law could not make complete, His Sacrifice, for those who have been sanctified by His death, makes them complete in regard to remission of sins forever.

There is no context of progressive sanctification to be found in v.10.

God bless.

 

[Darrell C]

If we were individually elected before the world was, as foreseen individuals, how is it that once we had not been chosen as a people and once had not received mercy.

You aren't taking the context into consideration:


Romans 9:24-26
King James Version

24 Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?

25 As he saith also in Osee, I will call them my people, which were not my people; and her beloved, which was not beloved.

26 And it shall come to pass, that in the place where it was said unto them, Ye are not my people; there shall they be called the children of the living God.


There was no Church (Body of Christ) prior to Pentecost. Israel is a picture-prophecy of the Church, but not the Church herself. This "People" began when God made the twain one.

If we had been chosen individually before our creation, then we would have always been a people chosen for God's own possession, and we would have always received mercy. But scripture says, no, once we were not a people and once we had not received mercy. See 1 Peter 2:9-10.

Consider that God shows mercy to His people even through hard times and catastrophe. Take the Flood, for example: it's my own view that God's mercy was extended to the children that died. Their deaths prevented their growing up and continuing in their parent's sin, thus they will receive the lesser judgement (and in my view end up in Heaven).

But God's election is a pretty simple matter, in my view. I view it as a recognition of the believer's response in eternity past. I do not view it as the Lord said, "Okay, this one, but not that one. Him, him, her. No, not her! Her!"

Therefore your assertion is an unbiblical claim as I see it.

It is not an unbiblical claim that all believers are only saved once they are regenerate, and that takes place at a particular point in time. The statement you responded to is a bit muddled, and might even be baiting. Not sure why you would let it bother you.

And for another scriptural preclusion of your doctrine, consider that no charge can be brought against God's elect, Romans 8:33? If we were already elected individually for salvation before our individual creation, then we would never have been children of wrath, Ephesians 2:3.

Not so. Paul makes that clear: we were all children of wrath, because we were dead in trespasses and sins and out of relationship with God.

This shows the necessity of Christ's sacrifice for all men.

I could go on, but in more than 10 years, no Calvinist has ever publicly admitted his or her doctrines were in error.

Have you?

He has made holy (perfected) those set apart into Christ.

This is not a temporal holiness, it is our standing in Christ.

Hebrews 10:14 contrasts the means of remission of sins of the Law with the means of the New Covenant.

So, in view is a completion of what those sacrifices were made for: remission of sins. Thus, an interpretation of the verse would be, "His sacrifice has brought about irrevocable forgiveness."

God bless.

 

[Zaatar71]

If we were individually elected before the world was, as foreseen individuals, how is it that once we had not been chosen as a people and once had not received mercy.

If we had been chosen individually before our creation, then we would have always been a people chosen for God's own possession, and we would have always received mercy. But scripture says, no, once we were not a people and once we had not received mercy. See 1 Peter 2:9-10.

Therefore your assertion is an unbiblical claim as I see it.

And for another scriptural preclusion of your doctrine, consider that no charge can be brought against God's elect, Romans 8:33? If we were already elected individually for salvation before our individual creation, then we would never have been children of wrath, Ephesians 2:3.

I could go on, but in more than 10 years, no Calvinist has ever publicly admitted his or her doctrines were in error.

He has made holy (perfected) those set apart into Christ.

Before The cross the gentiles were considered non covenant people, ie, not a people. God is now using the gentiles to jealousy.
Election takes place before time. Regeneration takes place in time, Your vision is inaccurate. Born children of wrath lost sheep, regenerated into saved sheep. Calvinists know these truths. Listen to the Calvinists

 

[Van]

You aren't taking the context into consideration:


Romans 9:24-26
King James Version

24 Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?

25 As he saith also in Osee, I will call them my people, which were not my people; and her beloved, which was not beloved.

26 And it shall come to pass, that in the place where it was said unto them, Ye are not my people; there shall they be called the children of the living God.


There was no Church (Body of Christ) prior to Pentecost. Israel is a picture-prophecy of the Church, but not the Church herself. This "People" began when God made the twain one.




Consider that God shows mercy to His people even through hard times and catastrophe. Take the Flood, for example: it's my own view that God's mercy was extended to the children that died. Their deaths prevented their growing up and continuing in their parent's sin, thus they will receive the lesser judgement (and in my view end up in Heaven).

But God's election is a pretty simple matter, in my view. I view it as a recognition of the believer's response in eternity past. I do not view it as the Lord said, "Okay, this one, but not that one. Him, him, her. No, not her! Her!"




It is not an unbiblical claim that all believers are only saved once they are regenerate, and that takes place at a particular point in time. The statement you responded to is a bit muddled, and might even be baiting. Not sure why you would let it bother you.



Not so. Paul makes that clear: we were all children of wrath, because we were dead in trespasses and sins and out of relationship with God.

This shows the necessity of Christ's sacrifice for all men.




Have you?




This is not a temporal holiness, it is our standing in Christ.

Hebrews 10:14 contrasts the means of remission of sins of the Law with the means of the New Covenant.

So, in view is a completion of what those sacrifices were made for: remission of sins. Thus, an interpretation of the verse would be, "His sacrifice has brought about irrevocable forgiveness."

God bless.

1) Yes, my view reflects of context. The claim seems to be that the being chosen as a people does not refer to being individual chosen for salvation. But that is nonsense as they are called into the kingdom. just read 1 Peter 2:9!

2) Again the mercy not yet received is to be chosen for salvation. Just read 1 Peter 2:9-10.

3) No person had any response before they were created. You seem to be in a "loop" where God knew what people would do before he created them. Thus He had created them in his mind before He created them. You are turning word meanings into sausage.

4) The claim individuals were chosen before they were created is unbiblical because 1 Peter 2:9-10 precludes it.

5) Again "no charge can be brought against God's elect. You can deny this, but it is as plain as day.

6) Yes of course I have been shown where I held invalid views, and I have no problem changing them because I formulated them. On the other hand no Calvinist can admit any of the TULIP is invalid because they did not formulate the doctrine, it is a relic from the dark ages.

 

[Van]

Before The cross the gentiles were considered non covenant people, ie, not a people. God is now using the gentiles to jealousy.
Election takes place before time. Regeneration takes place in time, Your vision is inaccurate. Born children of wrath lost sheep, regenerated into saved sheep. Calvinists know these truths. Listen to the Calvinists

The verse has nothing to do with the Old Covenant, it is specifically referring to people called out of darkness into His marvelous light. Sorry, but absurdity will not hide the obvious.

2 Thessalonians 2:13 says God chooses people for salvation through faith in the truth. Again, before a person can have faith in the truth, they must exist, and put their trust in God's promise. It is a lock.

 

[Darrell C]

1) Yes, my view reflects of context. The claim seems to be that the being chosen as a people does not refer to being individual chosen for salvation. But that is nonsense as they are called into the kingdom. just read 1 Peter 2:9!

Again, a specific generation is in view, so I don't see it as relevant to Election. The obvious problem would be, "What about all those who died prior to Eternal Redemption being made available to mankind?"

2) Again the mercy not yet received is to be chosen for salvation. Just read 1 Peter 2:9-10.

This changes the entire structure of the discussion.


1 Peter 2:9
King James Version

9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light;

10 Which in time past were not a people, but are now the people of God: which had not obtained mercy, but now have obtained mercy.


Again, the Church was not a "people" prior to Eternal Redemption being made available. And in case you aren't aware of it, I am not a Calvinist (nor am I Arminian); but this isn't a good argument against election.

I will agree, though, the mercy is their salvation.

3) No person had any response before they were created. You seem to be in a "loop" where God knew what people would do before he created them. Thus He had created them in his mind before He created them. You are turning word meanings into sausage.

I don't view God's omniscience as a loop, lol. It is what it is. Are you suggesting God didn't know who would be saved?

In a nutshell, the reason why both Calvinists and Arminians are wrong is because they do not accommodate the Ministry of the Comforter. Yes, men must actively believe, but that belief is a response, not an effort of the believer. I throw a bucket of ice water on you on a hot day and you will respond to that. You aren't going to be given credit for the response, because you didn't intellectually prepare it.

When the Comforter reveals the Gospel Mystery the believer responds. He/she doesn't intellectually prepare a response. So it is not an active effort on their part, it is the work of God in their heart.

4) The claim individuals were chosen before they were created is unbiblical because 1 Peter 2:9-10 precludes it.

No, actually it doesn't, because it is directed at a partial group of the Body of Christ. He is not speaking universally about the Church, He is speaking to the scattered strangers.

5) Again "no charge can be brought against God's elect. You can deny this, but it is as plain as day.

When? Before they are saved? I tro not.

6) Yes of course I have been shown where I held invalid views, and I have no problem changing them because I formulated them. On the other hand no Calvinist can admit any of the TULIP is invalid because they did not formulate the doctrine, it is a relic from the dark ages.

It is entirely possible for believers to conclude similarly based on a reading of the relevant texts, thus, they can say "I formulated this doctrine" as you do.

The question is, why do you care? Why do you spend so much time trying to prove them wrong? It's kind of a pit, in my view.

You could be spending your time with more productive conversations. Just sayin'.

And that's it for me. Hope you, and everyone, have a blessed evening.