Hebrews 4:9 rediscovered

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

God is clearly distinguished from the one entering into His Rest.

No. "Jesus" who (1)"gave them ... the People of God ... Rest", is clearly distinguished as The One Who, (2)"having entered into His Own Rest As God In His Own ... gave them, the People of God, Rest, and that THEREFORE (1 and 2) for the People God's Sabbath Rest Day is being continued."

You keep on glorifying man and the works of man while degrading God and God's works to the level of man and his works.

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

And I will drop out of this discussion until such time as we can actually look at the Scripture being provided.

You mean until you can provide the Scripture actually been looked at.

 

[Darrell C]

No. "Jesus" who (1)"gave them ... the People of God ... Rest", is clearly distinguished as The One Who, (2)"having entered into His Own Rest As God In His Own ... gave them, the People of God, Rest, and that THEREFORE (1 and 2) for the People God's Sabbath Rest Day is being continued."

You keep on glorifying man and the works of man while degrading God and God's works to the level of man and his works.

So it is your position that Jesus Christ has not given Rest to His People?

God bless.

 

[Darrell C]

You mean until you can provide the Scripture actually been looked at.

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lol

God bless.

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

I can upon the authority of Scripture tell you without controversy you violate the Law of God with this judgment.

The judgment made was made by you, Darrell C. I showed you that I like anyone else at the receiving end of your holier than thou judgmental innuendos can read and discern. Similar condemning pronouncements and insinuations permeate your posts, oozing your hatred, as I said before, and loathing of Sabbath believing Christians according to God's written Word. How it irks you that such people dare say they are Christians, is impossible not to notice. But Jesus the Christ of God consoles, "Do not let yourselves be judged by anyone in eating and drinking or in respect of eating and drinking of Feast whether of month's or Sabbaths', which things are but a shadow of what soon must be for you, which is the Body of Christ's Own." No greater Reward than Christ given to the Church as Head! "Let no one with enticing words beguile you of your Reward ... that you hold not to your Head ... Nourishment being ministered, the Body growing with the growth of God."

 

[Darrell C]

The judgment made was made by you, Darrell C. I showed you that I like anyone else at the receiving end of your holier than thou judgmental innuendos can read and discern. Similar condemning pronouncements and insinuations permeate your posts, oozing your hatred, as I said before, and loathing of Sabbath believing Christians according to God's written Word. How it irks you that such people dare say they are Christians, is impossible not to notice. But Jesus the Christ of God consoles, "Do not let yourselves be judged by anyone in eating and drinking or in respect of eating and drinking of Feast whether of month's or Sabbaths', which things are but a shadow of what soon must be for you, which is the Body of Christ's Own." No greater Reward than Christ given to the Church as Head! "Let no one with enticing words beguile you of your Reward ... that you hold not to your Head ... Nourishment being ministered, the Body growing with the growth of God."

Okay, Gerhard, I don't mind being the bad guy.

Like I said, when you are ready to actually address the Scripture...let me know.


God bless.

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

you are seeing that "for the people" you keep putting in there, right?

I'm not <<putting it in there>>, no! The Letter writer put it in there, once ... forever, "a Sabbath Rest Day's keeping endorsed for the People of God ... SINCE JESUS GAVE THEM REST". That's what you keep denying in there, no question!

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

"a Sabbath Day of Rest OF GOD, for the People”,

Which is it?

Truly it is of GOd, and truly it was for the people.

Not sure why you are having a hard time with that, nor why you would deny God promised, and delivered (no pun intended) Rest to the people of Israel.

I have no <<hard time with>> "a Sabbath Day of Rest OF GOD, for the People” <<truly of GOd, and truly for the people>>; it is what I have insisted on exactly, just what the Letter is saying, literally, which is what you are having a hard time with. Why do you have the hard time? Because you, keep on trying to identify "a Sabbath Day of Rest OF GOD, for the People” with, quote, an alleged <Rest> which <<God promised, and delivered ... to the people of Israel.>>

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

The Sabbath was alien to gentiles so much James had to explain it to them.

Untrue! Roman Catholic heresy! BECAUSE "being without Christ ... without hope and without God in the world" <Gentiles> ("in the flesh") were "aliens from the commonwealth of (True) Israel ... and strangers from the Covenants of Promise" PRECISELY like <<unbeliever Hebrew brethren>> "in the flesh" ARE, are they "without Christ in this world".

And <<unbeliever Hebrew brethren>> are PRECISELY like <<Gentiles in the flesh>> were, aliens from the SABBATH as they are aliens and strangers from the Covenant of Promise and without Christ.

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

Also for them to keep the Sabbath successfully they would have to be circumcised.

John 7

23“If a man receives circumcision on the Sabbath so that the Law of Moses will not be broken, are you angry with Me because I made an entire man well on the Sabbath?

Fortunately for everyone Jesus does not like the Roman Catholic apostates insist that those in need of Him <<have to keep the Sabbath successfully>> or had <<to be circumcised>>, BUT THAT HE, "made an entire man well on the Sabbath" and kept the Sabbath for what He "made the Sabbath for" and what HE was Lord of it for.

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

AT Robertson

Word Pictures in the New Testament


A sabbath rest (σαββατισμος — sabbatismos). Late word from σαββατιζω — sabbatizō (Exodus 16:30) to keep the Sabbath, apparently coined by the author (a doubtful passage in Plutarch). [R3] Here it is parallel with καταπαυσις — katapausis (cf. Revelation 14:13 [R1]).


For the people of God (τωι λαωι του τεου — tōi laōi tou theou). Dative case of blessed personal interest to the true Israel (Galatians 6:16). [R2]


Comments

[R1] <<Here it σαββατισμος is parallel with καταπαυσις (cf. Revelation 14:13)>>
The Noun <καταπαυσις> in Hebrews in several places, may perhaps <parallel> the Verb ἀναπαήσονται in Revelation; but not by the farthest stretch can the Verb ἀναπαήσονται in Revelation 14:13 <parallel> the Noun σαββατισμός in Hebrews 4:9! It will be seen this sort of arbitrariness characterises all Sunday protagonists, regardless their responsible and relevant manner of exegesis and interpretation of Scripture in other respects. When it comes to the Sabbath, good Christian scholars, even the best, like the bad, all, show feet of steel and clay.


[R2] <<A sabbath rest (σαββατισμος) … For the people of God (τωι λαωι του τεου). Dative case of blessed personal interest to the true Israel (Galatians 6:16).>>

σαββατισμός in Hebrews 4:9 presents an instance of

<<sabbath rest … for the people of God … the true Israel>>;

<<sabbath rest … of blessed personal interest>>;

<<sabbath rest … “to this rule, peace be on them and mercy upon the Israel of God … for in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth anything nor uncircumcision but a new creature.” Galatians 6:16 [and 15].>>

Thank you, dear Lord, for A.T. Robertson.


[R3] <<a doubtful passage in Plutarch>>

Sabbatismos in Plutarch (45-120AD)

de Superstitione, c. 3, ὦ βάρβαροι ἐξευρόντες, ἕλληνες κακὰ τῇ δεισιδαιμονίᾳ, πηλώσεις, καταβορβορώσεις, σαββατισμούς, ῥίψεις ἐπὶ πρόσωπον, αισχρὰς προκαθέσεις, ἀλλοκότους προσκυνήσεις.


ὦ βάρβαροι ἐξευρόντες, ἕλληνες κακὰ τῇ δεισιδαιμονίᾳ,

O barbaric divining Greeks corrupt in your superstition,


πηλώσεις, καταβορβορώσεις, σαββατισμούς,

sculpturing, pottery, sabbath-keeping,


ῥίψεις ἐπὶ πρόσωπον, αισχρὰς προκαθέσεις,

conspicuous tattooing, shameful behaviour / foul language in public,


ἀλλοκότους προσκυνήσεις.

monstrous idolatry


The use of σαββατισμος doubtless is legitimate and not at all <doubtful> vis a vis in context ‘de Superstitione’. The religious practices Plutarch lists, were adopted by the Greeks from the religions of the Greek world. For Plutarch, Greeks took “Sabbath-keeping”-‘σαββατισμος’ from the Jews and Christians, which made the Greeks no different than these ‘barbaric’ neighbours of theirs at the time. And Plutarch must have realised that the “Sabbath-keeping” which he deplored and denounced as a new ‘barbaric invention’ amongst the Greeks, was in fact the Seventh Day Sabbath which they for centuries have seen observed by the Jews because of their Holy Scriptures. Plutarch meant the same “Sabbath’s-keeping”-‘σαββατισμος’ which the author of Hebrews referred to as “the Seventh Day God from all his works, rested on”, and which “for the People of God remained valid a ‘σαββατισμος’-Sabbath Day to be rested on”.

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

Albert Barnes

Notes on the Whole Bible


The word “rest” in this verse - σαββατισμὸς sabbatismos- “Sabbatism,” in the margin is rendered “keeping of a Sabbath.” It is a different word from σάββατον sabbaton- “the Sabbath;” and it occurs nowhere else in the New Testament, and is not found in the Septuagint. It properly means “a keeping Sabbath” from σαββατίζω sabbatizō- “to keep Sabbath.” This word, not used in the New Testament, occurs frequently in the Septuagint; Exodus 16:30; Leviticus 23:32; Leviticus 26:35; 2 Chronicles 36:21; and in 3Esdr. 1:58;

























Whedon's Commentary on the Bible

9. Remaineth—The full conclusion given. There is a permanent rest underlying the Canaan rest, which is God’s and the believer’s rest. But, significantly, our author for the word rest, which has hitherto[W1] been αναπαυσις[W1], a pausing, now substitutes σαββατισμος, sabbatismos, sabbatism, a sabbath-rest, thus finely identifying the saints everlasting rest with God’s sabbatic rest. On this Whitby gives a number of interesting extracts from the early Christian writers. “Irenaeus[W1] saith, ‘The seventh day, which was sanctified, and in which God rested from all his works, is the true sabbath of the just; in which they shall do no earthly labour.’


[W1] The <<word rest αναπαυσις>> is not used in Hebrews. [W1] The word used throughout, is καταπαυσις. The word καταπαυσις is used six times before and twice after σαββατισμος in 4:9. Also the verbal form of the word αναπαυσις, αναπαυω, is not used in Hebrews, but καταπαυω, is, twice before and once after σαββατισμος in 4:9.


[W1] Not in the least does the writer of the Letter to the Hebrews <<substitute σαββατισμος …

thus identifying>> it with <<the saints everlasting rest>>—

thus identifying <<the saints everlasting rest with God’s sabbatic rest>>—

thus identifying <<the saints everlasting rest>> and <<God’s sabbatic rest>> with what Iranaeus said, was <<The seventh day>>.

The writer of the Letter to the Hebrews does not <<substitute σαββατισμος>>; he contrasts <<σαββατισμος, sabbatismos, sabbatism, a sabbath-rest>> with <<God’s and the believer’s rest>> in and through Jesus Christ obtained through Resurrection from the dead eternally, the same as the “Rest-of-God” the κατάπαυσις αὐτοῦ / μου (Θεοῦ).


Whedon finds it <significant> that <<our author (for) αναπαυσις, substitutes σαββατισμος … thus identifying the saints everlasting rest with God’s sabbatic rest.>> But both the concepts <substitute> and <identify>, are hypothetically and purely imaginatively supposed, and are erroneously and completely muddled, merely assumed. Because Whedon does not believe what the writer of the Letter to the Hebrews wrote, which is, that “God destined a Sabbath-Day-of-rest for the People of God”.